By continuing to use this site, you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more
Forum sponsored by:
Forum sponsored by CML

ASP etc gone

All Topics | Latest Posts

Search for:  in Thread Title in  
Neil6724/06/2019 13:32:15
avatar
186 forum posts
3 photos

Talked to Just Engines who have confirmed the factory that supplied ASP, SC etc is NI more. What are the economic alternatives?

kc24/06/2019 13:44:06
6032 forum posts
168 photos

Electric power?

Nigel R24/06/2019 13:49:38
avatar
3062 forum posts
475 photos

Presumably West, Novarossi or OS aren't what you'd call an economic alternative then!

Lots, and lots, of second hand two strokes on Ebay.

kc24/06/2019 14:01:15
6032 forum posts
168 photos

It's very sad if a respected engine maker goes, however it might mean OS, Enya etc still keep producing.

I see that Steve Webb still have SC available in some sizes, and have OS 46 for 123 pounds. But the reality is there must be thousands of .40 and .46 engines lying around secondhand and these will gradually come on the market if the demand is there. But owners such as myself are not going to part with their old glow motors at give away prices. Many of us are now only flying electric but retain a good number of perfectly servicable glow engines just in case we ever need them ( e.g if Lipos become unobtainable or very expensive )

Neil6724/06/2019 14:32:24
avatar
186 forum posts
3 photos

I have elelectic models but still prefer IC as I find short flight times with electric annoying and you need a lot of batteries for a day at the club. I appreciate that cheaper engines are disappearing and I am probably over wary about ebay offers, despite other family members having no issues with ebay. Weston engines seem expensive but they say they are far more powerful so a smaller engine will help on price. ASP engines were cheap and I have four of them and they have all worked really well.

Nigel R24/06/2019 14:47:53
avatar
3062 forum posts
475 photos

"short flight times with electric"

With respect, that just implies a poorly designed or specified setup.

"Weston engines seem expensive but they say they are far more powerful so a smaller engine will help on price."

Handful of salt required!

Steve J24/06/2019 14:52:01
avatar
1452 forum posts
45 photos
Posted by Neil67 on 24/06/2019 13:32:15:

the factory that supplied ASP, SC etc is NI more.

That is a shame. Good engines.

Steve

Don Fry24/06/2019 15:05:53
avatar
3946 forum posts
42 photos

I thought it was an hiatus while the moved to a new factory.

But there is no market. E Bay saw a brand new in box current model 120 2s, go for under £70. I know it's an odd engine nowadays, but that price dictates retailers will not stock them.

On a personal basis, e Bay stuff is so cheap, the odd dog is acceptable. Just be careful.

Nigel R24/06/2019 15:17:59
avatar
3062 forum posts
475 photos

Yes, it is a shame indeed. But as Don says, no demand, 20cc+ is petrol, 40 size and under, electric, almost universally.

What's left in between, the old 60 class, seems a bit unloved these days.

Martin Harris24/06/2019 15:24:19
avatar
8806 forum posts
215 photos
Posted by kc on 24/06/2019 13:44:06:

Electric power?

 

Neil asked for alternatives, not inferior substitutes.

While the 2 stroke market is probably not viable for large scale production, the 4 stroke ranges are definitely going to leave a massive hole for the traditional aeromodeller. While not top quality, they were/are an affordable and for the most part very usable alternative to the "quality" providers. I'll have to treat my ASP and SC engines carefully if spares are likely to dry up...won't it be ironic if we need to substitute OS spares for original parts!

 

Edited By Martin Harris on 24/06/2019 15:24:53

Jon - Laser Engines24/06/2019 15:30:13
4796 forum posts
179 photos

I more or less agree with Nigel. I see up to 30cc 4 stroke on glow still being really viable with 14-20ish cc being the most popular. Beyond that, its open for debate. Certainly i dont mint using 50cc glow engines, but i know many would rather it was petrol and that is fair enough. I think 50-60 4 strokes still have a place but smaller than that the market is not as it once was. As previously discussed it is not cost effective enough for us to make one.

im not surprised the 120 2s asp went for nothing as a large 2 stroke like that is useless these days.

In any case loosing ASP etc is a loss to the hobby as a whole.

Jon - Laser Engines24/06/2019 15:30:49
4796 forum posts
179 photos
Posted by Martin Harris on 24/06/2019 15:24:19:
Posted by kc on 24/06/2019 13:44:06:

Electric power?

Neil asked for alternatives, not inferior substitutes.

Edited By Martin Harris on 24/06/2019 15:24:53

Lol, shots fired

Don Fry24/06/2019 15:39:31
avatar
3946 forum posts
42 photos

I totally agree, electric is a poor substitute, but the market in 4 strokes isn't much better than the 2 stroke market. I recently bought a current production model, OS 120 mk 3 pumper, nice runner, not much use, £85. OK it was not well marketed by the seller, but it suggests not many buyers for motors out there.

Cuban824/06/2019 15:41:50
2719 forum posts
13 photos

As a retired electrical / electronics engineer I understand both the pros and cons of electric power and for me the biggest pro is simplicity and convenience when I only have a couple of hours to devote to flying during the week. The biggest con being the cost and charging issues with high power systems - say more than 2kw and to me the characterless nature of its sound. I wouldn't consider anything other than IC for a serious warbird or scale model. Forget two stroke glow as well. Electric just doesn't do it for me in certain  cases.

The demise of the OS clones is a pity, but there are alternatives in terms of petrol power and perhaps a wonderful opportunity for Jon at Laser, if only his hands were not so tied, by all accounts. Just my view above, of course.

Edited By Cuban8 on 24/06/2019 15:44:56

David Davis24/06/2019 15:49:44
avatar
3399 forum posts
598 photos

Shame. Anybody got a 52 sized four-stroke they want to sell?

will -024/06/2019 15:54:01
avatar
556 forum posts
19 photos

Sure but you won't like the price, they're ever so rare these days.

 

I have been accumulating a stash, so should be OK for the forseeable future.

 

What worries me more is the ongoing supply of fuel. THere are only a few players in that market and it wouldn't take much to make it extremely hard or expensive to come by.

Edited By will -0 on 24/06/2019 15:56:17

paul coleman 124/06/2019 16:19:42
117 forum posts

I think electric will take over the market,i am going all electric,for the cleanliness of it all,i spend more time cleaning down the planes afterwards lol,times change,and glow fuel is creeping up in price,i suppose petrol engines may still become popular,only time will tell.

will -024/06/2019 16:33:53
avatar
556 forum posts
19 photos

The strange thing is that people have been saying that for a the last 10 -20 years and yet still at my club I'm a very long way from being unusual in running glow engines.

Even some of what I thought were die hard electrickers are showing up with the occasional glow model now.

Variety and all that eh?

David P Williams24/06/2019 16:36:48
avatar
841 forum posts
282 photos

Registration, online competency tests, i/c becoming more difficult, club maybe losing its site - I think it might finally be time to sell up and and build a garden railway and steam engines. My mojo has its hat and coat on and is heading out the door......

kc24/06/2019 16:38:40
6032 forum posts
168 photos

I will take Martins comment " inferior substitute" as joke as was my suggestion of electric......

.....but I think it's fair to say electric has saved a good many flying fields and is the future.

Just how many engines have we all got that are in working order and now currently ( .....pun intended ...) unused? my score is 12! .... I must sell those OS46 AX & FX at least!

For anybody who is worried about lack of engines in future I suggest asking your clubmates if they have a good engine for sale BEFORE the news about SC etc is generally known.

All Topics | Latest Posts

Please login to post a reply.

Magazine Locator

Want the latest issue of RCM&E? Use our magazine locator link to find your nearest stockist!

Find RCM&E! 

Latest Forum Posts
Support Our Partners
electricwingman 2017
Cambridge Gliding Club
CML
Pepe Aircraft
Gliders Distribution
Slec
Wings & Wheels 2019
Sarik
Advertise With Us
Latest "For Sale" Ads
New Poll - Sticky situations...
Q: How often - when using superglue - do you end up with it on your fingers?

 Every time
 Occasionally
 Sometimes
 Rarely
 Never
 Wear rubber gloves

Latest Reviews
Digital Back Issues

RCM&E Digital Back Issues

Contact us

Contact us