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How does a BMFA Country Member get an A Certificate?

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FilmBuff25/06/2019 14:50:54
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Despite 40 years flying experience - I've never got round to getting certified and these days I'm not in a club.

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What's the best way to get an A Certificate (other than join a club) so I can attend fly-ins and other events?

Percy Verance25/06/2019 15:17:40
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Hi Filmbuff

As a BMFA member you can still take a test at your nearest club, assuming they're happy to do so. It isn't necessary to be a member of the club. A small donation may help to break the ice as it were.

To fly at an event with any public in attendance you will almost certainly need a "B" certificate. That is the BMFA's own recommendation. Some clubs may even insist on a "B" certificate for inter-club fly ins........

Edited By Percy Verance on 25/06/2019 15:25:39

will -025/06/2019 15:24:06
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Roughly where in the country are you? You may find there's someone on here who could recommend a local friendly spot!

FilmBuff25/06/2019 15:24:17
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Posted by Percy Verance on 25/06/2019 15:17:40:

To fly at an event with any public in attendance you will almost certainly need a "B" certificate. That is the BMFA's own recommendation.

Thanks Percy. Not thinking of public displays, just fly-ins such as RCME and flying at Buckminster.

FilmBuff25/06/2019 15:24:51
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Posted by will -0 on 25/06/2019 15:24:06:

Roughly where in the country are you? You may find there's someone on here who could recommend a local friendly spot!

Good point. I'm based in Northampton.

will -025/06/2019 15:29:41
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Hmm that's 47 miles from BMFA HQ at buckminster............

Seems like something that ought to be possible there.

Edited By will -0 on 25/06/2019 15:42:54

Andy Symons - BMFA25/06/2019 15:46:58
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Posted by FilmBuff on 25/06/2019 15:24:51:
Posted by will -0 on 25/06/2019 15:24:06:

Roughly where in the country are you? You may find there's someone on here who could recommend a local friendly spot!

Good point. I'm based in Northampton.

No problem at all in taking an A or B cert at Buckminster. Why not come along to the next Achievement Scheme Hosted fly-in which will be taking place over the weekend of 3rd & 4th August.

FilmBuff25/06/2019 15:47:20
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Posted by will -0 on 25/06/2019 15:29:41:

Hmm that's 47 miles from BMFA HQ at buckminster............

Seems like something that ought to be possible there.

Edited By will -0 on 25/06/2019 15:42:54

That's what I'm thinking - I feel an email coming on.

Denis Watkins25/06/2019 15:48:06
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Read up on the BMFA site FB the programme is there

And practice from now on so that the schedule becomes routine to you

Bob Cotsford25/06/2019 16:12:07
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Good advice from Denis though it might be less intimidating to think of it as a set of basic skills that you need to practice demonstrating. I find the word schedule can make it sound a bit too exacting as though you need to demonstrate competition level ability.

Julian Murch25/06/2019 16:21:44
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As someone back to the hobby after many years I can see something of a Catch 22 situation before me. I have not flown anything for 30 years plus and I am building an electric power Calder Craft Primary.

How will I be able to get practice to take any tests if I need a Certificate to fly? Am I just making a 50 inch span static aeroplane?

Julian Murch25/06/2019 16:21:47
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As someone back to the hobby after many years I can see something of a Catch 22 situation before me. I have not flown anything for 30 years plus and I am building an electric power Calder Craft Primary.

How will I be able to get practice to take any tests if I need a Certificate to fly? Am I just making a 50 inch span static aeroplane?

Martin Harris25/06/2019 16:27:54
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Film Buff, as you don't have access to an examiner or instructor you might benefit from watching this video as a guide to what's expected/involved in the test.

You'll need to be familiar with the mandatory questions as well as the handbook and CAP 658 so if you're just turning up on the day to do the test, make sure you're prepared for them - the examiner won't be trying to catch you out - just to make sure you have a working knowledge of the contents.

Edited By Martin Harris on 25/06/2019 16:29:56

Martin Harris25/06/2019 16:32:40
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Julian - no practical test is envisaged, just an online theory test. Once that is passed and you are registered as an operator you will be free to fly. These come into force on the 1st of November for everybody.

If you're at a club, they may require an A to fly unsupervised but these are totally local arrangements - all you need is land owner's permission unless you're in an aerodrome flight restriction zone when ATC permission is also required.

Edited By Martin Harris on 25/06/2019 16:36:37

Frank Skilbeck25/06/2019 16:34:20
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Posted by Julian Murch on 25/06/2019 16:21:47:

As someone back to the hobby after many years I can see something of a Catch 22 situation before me. I have not flown anything for 30 years plus and I am building an electric power Calder Craft Primary.

How will I be able to get practice to take any tests if I need a Certificate to fly? Am I just making a 50 inch span static aeroplane?

You don't legally need a certificate to fly, but a lot of clubs, mine included, require it to fly solo. Not a problem, we have had a couple of recent members who used to fly eons ago, we just stand by them and give them some guidance while they get their muscle memory working again and guide them through the landing approaches etc, then they take the test when ready.

We usually help them set up the model and do the first flight test and trim the model out as well, saves trying to remember how to fly and trim a model when it's 6ft off the ground.

FilmBuff25/06/2019 16:36:43
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Posted by Martin Harris on 25/06/2019 16:27:54:

Film Buff, as you don't have access to an examiner or instructor you might benefit from watching this video as a guide to what's expected/involved in the test.

You'll need to be familiar with the mandatory questions as well as the handbook and CAP 658 so if you're just turning up on the day to do the test, make sure you're prepared for them - the examiner won't be trying to catch you out - just to make sure you have a working knowledge of the contents.

Edited By Martin Harris on 25/06/2019 16:29:56

Thanks Martin. Without wanting to grandstand - I can fly the A and B schedule with ease. It's the logistics of the assessment that I need help with.

Bruce Collinson25/06/2019 16:44:45
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FB,

Ten of us sat/flew the A last Sunday. Lessons:

Nail figures of 8 in all wind directions, and not pylon turns; ditto deadstick landings

Learn the mandatory answers and have sensible knowledge of the BMFA Handbook

Make sure your failsafe can be shown to work

Listen to what you're asked to do.

Very best of luck with it.

BTC

Martin Harris25/06/2019 16:47:05
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It's still worth getting an idea of the requirements. A clubmate who is an Area Chief Examiner, the local area scheme coordinator and a member of the review committee has commented that on several occasions he's had to fail extremely experienced and otherwise competent pilots because they didn't comply with the requirements of the tests due to insufficient preparation.

FilmBuff25/06/2019 17:15:15
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Posted by Martin Harris on 25/06/2019 16:47:05:

It's still worth getting an idea of the requirements. A clubmate who is an Area Chief Examiner, the local area scheme coordinator and a member of the review committee has commented that on several occasions he's had to fail extremely experienced and otherwise competent pilots because they didn't comply with the requirements of the tests due to insufficient preparation.

Agreed - I have all the scheme docs/handbooks printed out with plenty of index markers! I also practice the A Test at every flying session.

FilmBuff25/06/2019 17:15:48
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Posted by Bruce Collinson on 25/06/2019 16:44:45:

FB,

Ten of us sat/flew the A last Sunday. Lessons:

Nail figures of 8 in all wind directions, and not pylon turns; ditto deadstick landings

Learn the mandatory answers and have sensible knowledge of the BMFA Handbook

Make sure your failsafe can be shown to work

Listen to what you're asked to do.

Very best of luck with it.

BTC

Good points. yes

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