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Percy Verance20/07/2019 13:27:16
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A few moons ago, my old boss - very much one of the old school, and sadly no longer with us - had his office door open. His office was adjacent to the main reception area. And on one particular day a chap walked in whom seemed, for whatever reason, to have got out of his bed on the wrong side that day. He chose to kick off big style in reception, verbally abusing the young receptionist. My boss quickly appeared from his office to see what was going on, whereupon the chap immediately turned on him with a further verbal tirade. "I'm never coming here again", said the irate bloke. My boss looked over the top of his bi-focals, and quietly replied "then perhaps that'll suit us both".......... Priceless.

Edited By Percy Verance on 20/07/2019 13:27:48

Percy Verance20/07/2019 13:35:05
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GIven the way things seem to be going with model engines, I wonder how long it might be before we see fuel, plugs, props and accessories etc beiing stockpiled? Or shouldn't I have said that? dont know

Edited By Percy Verance on 20/07/2019 13:35:31

Dai Fledermaus20/07/2019 14:26:03
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It may be coincidence, but I've noticed a significant increase in the starting bids on second hand engines on EBAY.

Currently, there's an OS 15 LA nib being sold by one optimistic seller for £99.00. Also an ENYA SS 25 used but in seemingly good condition for £75.00. An MDS 28 with a starting bid of £40.

Sellers can ask whatever they like of course, but with a limited choice of new small capacity glow motors available, I can see this trend continuing despite the popularity of electric motors.

Jon - Laser Engines20/07/2019 16:11:39
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Posted by Percy Verance on 20/07/2019 13:35:05:

GIven the way things seem to be going with model engines, I wonder how long it might be before we see fuel, plugs, props and accessories etc beiing stockpiled? Or shouldn't I have said that? dont know

Edited By Percy Verance on 20/07/2019 13:35:31

probably not, but its true. Plugs will be the final nail for glow engines. I myself am intending to buy a bunch, but only a card of 12 as i have no new ones in stock and an airworthy fleet of 12 engines, most of which have 2 or more cylinders, does need a small stock of spare plugs.

Again though it comes down to common sense. keeping 20 or so spare plugs is hardly a big deal if you have lots of engines. wanting 20 spare needle valves is not quite the same thing

Bob Cotsford20/07/2019 16:20:53
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Props and accessories, at what point does keeping spares become stockpiling? If I had a stocktake I would probably find myself rivalling many shops for range and quantity of accessories blush.  Buying a card of 12 plugs or pack of 10 extensions makes sense especially if there's a multibuy discount, scouring the internet and buying in 50s is probably going a bit far.

Edited By Bob Cotsford on 20/07/2019 16:23:43

Denis Watkins20/07/2019 16:24:51
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Posted by Bob Cotsford on 20/07/2019 16:20:53:

Props and accessories, at what point does keeping spares become stockpiling? If I had a stocktake I would probably find myself rivalling many shops for range and quantity of accessories blush

At the Cosford Swapmeet Bob

Myself and 2 friends reckoned that between us we could put up a similar display of models and motors ! !

Bob Cotsford20/07/2019 16:29:17
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Posted by Denis Watkins on 20/07/2019 16:24:51:
Posted by Bob Cotsford on 20/07/2019 16:20:53:

Props and accessories, at what point does keeping spares become stockpiling? If I had a stocktake I would probably find myself rivalling many shops for range and quantity of accessories blush

At the Cosford Swapmeet Bob

Myself and 2 friends reckoned that between us we could put up a similar display of models and motors ! !

Just think of the display Paul Marsh could put on! How many spare plugs does that fleet warrant keeping?

Andy Hat20/07/2019 17:29:54
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Sorry but I don't see the problem here for Jon. I can't see that it makes any business sense to deny orders, or try and put people off ordering spares, of any quantity. If more parts need to be manufactured, or ordered, then that's what I see as normal business/stock-control.

I'm sure I'll get jumped on for going against the flow on this, but I can't see the logic of a business refusing any orders. And, putting people off ordering spares (perhaps even because they want to keep a beloved engine running for many years to come) i.e. essentially saying that you don't want their business - is that really sensible?

 

Edited By Andy Hat on 20/07/2019 17:31:28

Percy Verance20/07/2019 18:03:11
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With respect Andy, you need to understand how it all works at Laser Engines. Laser couldn't operate like that. I'm certain Jon will explain all.........

Andy Hat20/07/2019 18:17:09
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Thanks Percy, I'll be interested to know more about it.

Edited By Andy Hat on 20/07/2019 18:20:55

Martin McIntosh20/07/2019 18:38:21
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The only plugs I use are Enya 3, OS 8 and OSF. Always best to buy these on ebay on a card of ten or so which works out at about £2.50 each. Genuine ones too.

As I see it, anyone buying a large quantity of every component in an engine must be hoping to assemble and sell them on. Tell them to `go away` Jon. We need the spares out here.

And by the way, I am now in the market for another 180 when you have one available, no rush.

Jon - Laser Engines20/07/2019 18:45:58
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Posted by Andy Hat on 20/07/2019 18:17:09:

Thanks Percy, I'll be interested to know more about it.

Edited By Andy Hat on 20/07/2019 18:20:55

I get that someone may want to keep a beloved engine running for years, thats fine, but until its broken why are you ordering parts? you cant see the future, why waste money on a part you dont need now and might never need in the future? In the ASP case, if everyone does what you did there wont be anything for anyone as it will all be gone.

For me, as i have already mentioned the supply of components i have is finite, its not a bottomless bucket. If all of them are sold as spares how can i build new engines?

The counter to this is make more parts. Ok sure, but machine time is finite. Laser parts come from the factory which is downstairs from me. However, 99% of what the factory makes has nothing to do with laser. It takes time to ramp production. Not to mention that the supply of parts i get now is inadequate.

The final nail for the 'just take their money and shut up' argument is that time is finite. I am one man and if i spend all day every day packing spares orders...oh yea, no engines get built. Not to mention that most of the spares need to be finished. Slow run needles need O rings on them, main needles need to be assembled, carbs need assembling, exhausts need to be shot blasted... No prizes for guessing who has to do all that. And i know, they sound like trivial jobs, but doing 30 of anything takes quite a while. Especially when you have to keep answering the phone, emails, doing the repairs and fixing our hopeless heap of a phone system.

The counter..employ more staff. lol, good luck with that.

Finally, and to be honest most importantly, my job is to build and sell engines that people can use. I will then do all i can to service and support those engines with parts and in house servicing. It is not my job to supply fat cats with big wallets a means to extort money out of people and neglect my real customers in the process. I made that mistake once and i wont do it again.

Jon - Laser Engines20/07/2019 18:50:51
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Posted by Martin McIntosh on 20/07/2019 18:38:21:

And by the way, I am now in the market for another 180 when you have one available, no rush.

Out of production at the moment. I need the front housings made but i have to get the 80 front housing done first. then the first op of the 180 housing can run through the mill. By then the 80's will have run through the 2nd and 3rd ops on the lathe but i then need the lathe set for cylinders for 155 120 and 180. Depending on how the jobs fall wit shipping the cylinders in from plating the order might shift about, and that is assuming something else dosent require immediate attention. Probably a week or two? Shouldnt be too bad.

Paul Marsh20/07/2019 18:53:54
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I would've thought that orders for spares would be good, but as Laser Engines hasn't the capacity to make hundreds of spare parts makes sense, and for the reasons listed above...

Martin McIntosh20/07/2019 19:20:05
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As I said Jon, unlike some others I am in no great rush for one but just please let me know when it is available. It is only for my old Spit. when I swap the motor to the Stampe.

Percy Verance20/07/2019 19:36:11
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There we go Andy. Straight from the top. It wasn't vastly different back in 1993 when I bought my first Laser - a .75. I went on to buy a further 5 or 6, including a V twin.

You rang to place your order, but first you had a chat with Neil Tidey, the "father" of the original Laser range of engines. He'd ask you what model(s) you'd be flying with it, and perhaps the style of flying you indulged in etc. Then you waited until your engine was built, test run and posted out to you. Nothing happened rapidy, even back then. But, as most of us know, the wait was/is well worth it.......

 

Edited By Percy Verance on 20/07/2019 19:40:35

Malcolm Fisher20/07/2019 19:42:13
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A bit late but I have only just seen Peter Miller's reference to Sainsbury's. Could I remind him of a comment from Alan Coren who said that Sainsbury's only function is to "keep the riff-raff out of Waitrose" ?

As for ASP engines, I have a 52 four stroke which has only been bench run and I will probably never build anything which would suit it. I'm open for reasonable offers if anyone is interested.

Malcolm

Chris Walby20/07/2019 22:07:05
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How many of us are guilty (yes me as well) of having an engine that is not in a model? Just sitting in a draw waiting for the right plane.

Jon's point is spot on...If I was not hanging on to it, then he could have sold it to someone who was really was going to use it....

As for spare parts, if looked after what is the "major" service interval for a Laser engine...or don't I really need to know. wink

PS Can someone recommend an ARTF scale biplane that an 80 will fit nicely, I need to remove my guilt!

Jon - Laser Engines20/07/2019 22:30:24
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Posted by Chris Walby on 20/07/2019 22:07:05:

How many of us are guilty (yes me as well) of having an engine that is not in a model? Just sitting in a draw waiting for the right plane.

Jon's point is spot on...If I was not hanging on to it, then he could have sold it to someone who was really was going to use it....

As for spare parts, if looked after what is the "major" service interval for a Laser engine...or don't I really need to know. wink

PS Can someone recommend an ARTF scale biplane that an 80 will fit nicely, I need to remove my guilt!

If looked after most engines will last for years. The more you use them, the longer they last. Some engines run hundreds of hours and never need a thing.

As for the biplane question, check out the seagull models gypsy moth

Peter Miller21/07/2019 08:21:19
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Posted by Malcolm Fisher on 20/07/2019 19:42:13:

A bit late but I have only just seen Peter Miller's reference to Sainsbury's. Could I remind him of a comment from Alan Coren who said that Sainsbury's only function is to "keep the riff-raff out of Waitrose" ?

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