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Tony Packe22/10/2019 17:33:49
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I asked this question before but didn't get any sensible answers. Just assume for now it is a hypothetical question.

Have a garage full of model planes, used to belong to a flying club that was affiliated to the BMFA. Haven't flown for a couple of years and put model flying on hold due to other interests. How does that leave you with the new "drone" regulations?

Alan Gorham_22/10/2019 17:35:26
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In my opinion, it leaves you in the same boat as everybody else.

Denis Watkins22/10/2019 17:42:01
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The pilot registers Tony, not the models

If you do not fly then you have no need to register

Tony Packe22/10/2019 17:47:32
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If you own them aren't you classed as an operator?

Alan Gorham_22/10/2019 17:49:29
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Only if you or another pilot operates them....

Bob Cotsford22/10/2019 18:04:47
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Posted by Alan Gorham_ on 22/10/2019 17:49:29:

Only if you or another pilot operates them....

Sounds about right to me. Probably best to keep quiet generally unless we want the equivalent of SORNs brought in!

Tony Packe22/10/2019 18:08:52
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Yes that's what I thought. Think about transporting a plane in a car, as bad as plod finding a firearm in the boot!

Steve J22/10/2019 18:11:58
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Posted by Tony Packe on 22/10/2019 17:47:32:

If you own them aren't you classed as an operator?

A SUA operator is a person who has management of a SUA.

ANO articles 94D and 94F apply to flying SUA not owning them.

Steve

Alan Gorham_22/10/2019 18:14:17
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Posted by Bob Cotsford on 22/10/2019 18:04:47:
Posted by Alan Gorham_ on 22/10/2019 17:49:29:

Only if you or another pilot operates them....

Sounds about right to me. Probably best to keep quiet generally unless we want the equivalent of SORNs brought in!

I did think about SORN! It could be called SOSN or Statutory Out of Sky Notification...

Steve J22/10/2019 18:20:58
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Posted by Tony Packe on 22/10/2019 18:08:52:

Think about transporting a plane in a car, as bad as plod finding a firearm in the boot!

From the counter-UA strategy that was published yesterday:

"the [Air Traffic Management and Unmanned Aircraft Bill] will make provision for new powers for police officers to allow them to better enforce drone regulations in the Air Navigation Order, and prohibitions related to prisons in the UK. This will include powers to stop and search in specific circumstances, and powers to issue fixed penalty notices for minor offences."

Peter Christy22/10/2019 18:32:31
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Surely the offence is operating the "drone" (ie: flying it), not owning it.

A similar situation occurred back in the bad old days of CB radio. It was an offence to use one, not to own one.

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Pete

Chris Berry22/10/2019 19:01:24
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This is being way over thought. Unless they are being flown it’s not an issue.

The police are not going to be doing spot checks for drones in cars with road blocks.

Not worth worrying about.

Geoff Sleath22/10/2019 20:11:54
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I'm glad SORNs didn't exist when I had loads of motor cycle frames and logbooks as well as a few rideable bikes. It would have been a nightmare. I had friends who, like me, swapped engines with abandon and a few who merely swapped number plates

I'd be in an even worse state if there were such things as SOSNs He writes looking upwards to the roof space over the workshop.

I'm doing nothing until forced and I put my trust in the BMFA.

Geoff

Keith Miles 224/10/2019 00:32:00
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With multiple models will that mean multiple Operator ID labels (as yet undefined) in multiple “easily accessible” (as yet undefined) places?

Easily accessible to who?

A police officer with a set of screwdrivers, presumably, ‘cos not all models (with reference to recent BMFA e-mail) have “battery hatches”!

I will be particularly interested to see how this aspect of the legislation works out in practice!

Keith Miles 224/10/2019 00:32:01
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Oh, and just to say, well done the BMFA for securing some amendments and well done all those who gave them the necessary support to achieve it.

Removing the legislation was never a likely outcome and I would rather be subjected to a likely ineffective and slightly annoying and slightly inconvenient system than see our hobby banned entirely.

As for bans, I hope, in my lifetime, never to see “drones” over my house, or anywhere else, delivering Chicken Tikka Masala or being used for any other unnecessary and trivial commercial purpose! 

Edited By Keith Miles 2 on 24/10/2019 01:01:02

cymaz24/10/2019 06:22:30
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Posted by Keith Miles 2 on 24/10/2019 00:32:01:

Oh, and just to say, well done the BMFA for securing some amendments and well done all those who gave them the necessary support to achieve it.

Removing the legislation was never a likely outcome and I would rather be subjected to a likely ineffective and slightly annoying and slightly inconvenient system than see our hobby banned entirely.

As for bans, I hope, in my lifetime, never to see “drones” over my house, or anywhere else, delivering Chicken Tikka Masala or being used for any other unnecessary and trivial commercial purpose!

Edited By Keith Miles 2 on 24/10/2019 01:01:02

I share your thought on the bmfa work. I will not be surprised to see an Amazon or KFC drone falls out of the sky. Think of the outcry then.

Jason-I24/10/2019 07:18:54
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Posted by cymaz on 24/10/2019 06:22:30:
ill not be surprised to see an Amazon or KFC drone falls out of the sky. Think of the outcry then.

Yeah, can you just imagine, somebody's take away chicken will go cold. Ohh the horror!!!

Flyer24/10/2019 07:45:28
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Posted by Jason-I on 24/10/2019 07:18:54:
Posted by cymaz on 24/10/2019 06:22:30:
ill not be surprised to see an Amazon or KFC drone falls out of the sky. Think of the outcry then.

Yeah, can you just imagine, somebody's take away chicken will go cold. Ohh the horror!!!

Or the potential damages claim......... devil afterall PPI has finished.

David Ashby - Moderator24/10/2019 09:21:02
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Rather than have several CAA threads running, we'll just lock this one and direct folks here.

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