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john stones 109/11/2019 14:25:11
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Posted by Peter Christy on 09/11/2019 14:22:41:

Well, there's the stated purpose and the intended purpose, and as with most government schemes, its often difficult to distinguish if the two are the same!

My point is that if the vast bulk of registrations come from the associations, it will raise the question of why the DfT / CAAis bothering at all, as it will just be a duplication of effort.

I believe we may be in danger of undermining the negotiating power of our associations if too many members register directly with the CAA.

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Steve J09/11/2019 15:05:42
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Posted by Peter Christy on 09/11/2019 14:22:41:

I believe we may be in danger of undermining the negotiating power of our associations if too many members register directly with the CAA.

The associations have very little negotiating power. I do not believe that the number of records in the files that they send the CAA at the end of January will change this.

Ron Gray09/11/2019 15:40:02
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I'm with Steve on this one, the CAA know who the BMFA represent in terms of numbers therefore how many register through the BMFA and who register director has no relevance. But in a perverse way in may help if more register direct as the CAA do know our BMFA numbers so they will not know how many haven't registered if we do go direct to the CAA. Think of it another way, if the only way that you could register was through the BMFA then the CAA would definitely know the numbers of those who haven't registered which may make them take some form of action.

Andy Symons - BMFA09/11/2019 18:41:09
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Posted by Ron Gray on 09/11/2019 15:40:02:

I'm with Steve on this one, the CAA know who the BMFA represent in terms of numbers therefore how many register through the BMFA and who register director has no relevance. But in a perverse way in may help if more register direct as the CAA do know our BMFA numbers so they will not know how many haven't registered if we do go direct to the CAA. Think of it another way, if the only way that you could register was through the BMFA then the CAA would definitely know the numbers of those who haven't registered which may make them take some form of action.

There are a significant number of BMFA members who will not need to register as they only fly aircraft that are exempt so the CAA don't really have any idea on any numbers.

However registering via the BMFA will go some way to show the CAA (and DfT) that perhaps they should perhaps consider delegated powers to those that have much more of an idea about what we do.

RC Plane Flyer09/11/2019 18:49:27
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So having looked at sticking my Dymo Label on the inside of my models it  is not going to be that simple. So I have opted to stick the labels on the outside my options is same place on all models ( **** *** **** )

Edited By RC Plane Flyer on 09/11/2019 18:53:03

Ron Gray09/11/2019 19:04:55
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Posted by Andy Symons - BMFA on 09/11/2019 18:41:09:

There are a significant number of BMFA members who will not need to register as they only fly aircraft that are exempt so the CAA don't really have any idea on any numbers.


Really? I’m surprised that a significant number fly c/l or models less than 250g


However registering via the BMFA will go some way to show the CAA (and DfT) that perhaps they should perhaps consider delegated powers to those that have much more of an idea about what we do.

Haven’t we already missed the boat on that one?

john stones 109/11/2019 19:07:49
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May be other boats along in the future.

Wilco Wingco09/11/2019 20:09:29
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Now I am confused. Are we saying that if you only fly fixed wing then there is no need to register????. So gliders and other fixed wing are exempt????? This is too much for my poor 72 year old brain.

Steve J09/11/2019 20:36:26
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Posted by Andy Symons - BMFA on 09/11/2019 18:41:09:

perhaps they should perhaps consider delegated powers to those that have much more of an idea about what we do.

Be careful what you wish for...

Allan Bennett09/11/2019 21:05:22
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Posted by Wilco Wingco on 09/11/2019 20:09:29:

Now I am confused. Are we saying that if you only fly fixed wing then there is no need to register????. So gliders and other fixed wing are exempt????? This is too much for my poor 72 year old brain.

No, I think the paragraph that's got your hopes up is the one a couple of posts back refering to 'exempt' aircraft: That is basically aircraft that are less than 250g weight, or control-line. All other model flying aircraft are subject to the new rules.

Gary Manuel09/11/2019 21:06:49
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Posted by Wilco Wingco on 09/11/2019 20:09:29:

Now I am confused. Are we saying that if you only fly fixed wing then there is no need to register????. So gliders and other fixed wing are exempt????? This is too much for my poor 72 year old brain.

 

No WW. You'll need to register. Only ones weighing less than 250g are exempt.

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Andy Symons - BMFA09/11/2019 21:34:05
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See **LINK** No 3 for exempted activities.

Martin Harris09/11/2019 21:57:48
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I keep seeing references to pilot registrations by the existing certification route "expiring" after June. As these registrations will be issued on the strength of competence indicated by possession of approved qualifications and independent registrations on the strength of having passed a test "on the day", why would either expire "mid term"?

As I see it, the end date simply aligns with the introduction of new EASA legislation and the CAA are simply granting a period until then in which registration for 3 years can be made using your existing qualification.  When these expire, who knows what regulations will have evolved...

Perhaps this is too logical but I haven't seen anything stated in official documentation to contradict my assumption.

Edited By Martin Harris on 09/11/2019 22:01:19

Andy Symons - BMFA09/11/2019 22:03:26
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Nail on head Martin.

Ron Gray09/11/2019 22:37:43
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As it currently stands, registering through the CAA gives you (remote pilot) 3 years, using the exemption it expires in June 2020.

Steve J09/11/2019 23:15:26
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Posted by Martin Harris on 09/11/2019 21:57:48:

I keep seeing references to pilot registrations by the existing certification route "expiring" after June. As these registrations will be issued on the strength of competence indicated by possession of approved qualifications and independent registrations on the strength of having passed a test "on the day", why would either expire "mid term"?

The CAA are not issuing registrations "on the strength of competence indicated by possession of approved qualifications". Remote pilots with an approved achievement certificate are being exempted from the requirements of ANO article 94F until the 30th June.

cymaz10/11/2019 09:19:06
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Having looked at the CAA drone site about registering there seems to be a get out here.

Husband and wife both fly. They both have the same email address. Husband has an A cert and looks after the plane, wife is learning to fly.

Wife is staying with her mother one weekend, husband does the flying safety test for his spouse as she has a problem with mother. Wife can now fly legally.

Makes a mockery of the whole system.

ken anderson.10/11/2019 09:23:03
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i don't understand what i'm reading on some of the posts...ie--if you register and pass the test(if you need to) you are registered for 3 years......But its only valid until June 2020....8 months!.... which will be the one we take note of...?

ken anderson...ne..1.... clarification needed dept.

Don Fry10/11/2019 09:30:04
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Or Cymas, you go round all your mates in the Destroy the World by Drone Society, and take the test for them. After all, no point in breaking laws unnecessarily.

cymaz10/11/2019 09:40:25
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Posted by Don Fry on 10/11/2019 09:30:04:

Or Cymas, you go round all your mates in the Destroy the World by Drone Society, and take the test for them. After all, no point in breaking laws unnecessarily.

I'm not going to do that....other club members can do it themselves. I was just pointing out how rediculous the new flier online registration is

BTW....I never ever fly outside of a club......thanks for asking

Edited By cymaz on 10/11/2019 10:00:41

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