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David P Williams15/11/2019 15:54:50
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Posted by robert feltham on 15/11/2019 15:37:14:

Reading all of this and looking at all the hoops to jump through now I for one will be selling all my gear and moving to another hobby. I'm just fed up with it all I'm afraid. Flying RC for over 40 years. Hobby ruined by so called drones.

Robert - really? We all wish we didn't have to do this but the hoops are simple and easy, the cost is trivial in comparison to what we spend on models, and the hobby will carry on pretty much the same, it's definitely not "ruined". It would be a shame to give it all up after 40 years.

will -015/11/2019 15:55:44
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That's great (about the buddy box not robert throwing his toys)

Robert, if you still enjoy it, I can't imagine how doing a little test and paying a tiny bit more is going to stop you enjoying it.

cymaz15/11/2019 16:16:40
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Come on Rob....if you have an A or equivalent, you just pay £9 to register with the CAA. Which you could probably do through the club at renewal time. How much more trouble is it to write a cheque for an extra £9?

Nothing has changed for anyone already flying apart from the register fee, which is done for you!

will -015/11/2019 16:18:26
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Posted by cymaz on 15/11/2019 16:16:40:

Come on Rob....if you have an A or equivalent, you just pay £9 to register with the CAA. Which you could probably do through the club at renewal time. How much more trouble is it to write a cheque for an extra £9?

Quite right

Could you write a cheque to me for £9 if it's not too much trouble?

You don't get anything in return, of course devil

cymaz15/11/2019 16:21:24
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The LMA will this year, for the one and only time , have decided to pay the £9 on our behalf heart

 

Edited By cymaz on 15/11/2019 16:23:11

MattyB15/11/2019 16:33:04
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Posted by bert baker on 15/11/2019 15:46:39:
Posted by MattyB on 15/11/2019 15:24:47:

Looks like the buddy box question has been answered in our favour - from Andy Symons on FB...

"Productive CAA meeting yesterday. No exemption required for buddy box flights. The CAA fully accept the BMFA position that the person holding the slave TX is neither the operator or remote pilot.

Of course the aircraft will need a valid Op Id on it and the person on the master TX must hold a competency."

Cool,,, I pleased with that,,, but I couldn’t find it on face book

Sorry, it was posted in the BMFA Achievement Scheme FB Group, so it may not be visible unless you are a member of that.

Chris Berry15/11/2019 17:21:42
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I called the CAA and when asked about tuition the chap said everyone needs to take the test.

Then I had a reply to an email I'd sent a few days previous to the CAA and they confirmed no test needed for those under tuition as PIC is the instructor.

Temp agency call handlers reading from a script I suspect.

Lima Hotel Foxtrot16/11/2019 12:36:35
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Posted by robert feltham on 15/11/2019 15:37:14:

Reading all of this and looking at all the hoops to jump through now I for one will be selling all my gear and moving to another hobby. I'm just fed up with it all I'm afraid. Flying RC for over 40 years. Hobby ruined by so called drones.

I don’t believe statements like this.

Dwain Dibley.16/11/2019 15:27:14
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Believe it Matey.......!! I have already sold some models, I have not renewed my club fees, and am looking at doing something else. I love cycling, I do it every day, so will spend the money on bikes, or an old motorbike...

The flying part of the hobby has always been the lesser interest for me, apart from the Helis, so I am not that bothered about it.

If I want to build a model I will, but that will be it.

I will still follow this forum, cos it is great and full of good people. heart

Anyone fancy a nice unflown Cessna 120 ??????

D.D

Steve J16/11/2019 21:57:18
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Posted by Lima Hotel Foxtrot on 16/11/2019 12:36:35:
Posted by robert feltham on 15/11/2019 15:37:14:

I for one will be selling all my gear and moving to another hobby.

I don’t believe statements like this.

I believe it. I don't understand it, but it isn't the only response to the regulatory changes that I don't understand. In fact it probably doesn't even make my top ten .

SIMON CRAGG17/11/2019 04:01:44
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As club sec. my job has been to collect the £9.00 per head from our 40 or so members. So far, not one member has whinged about it, and I have collected virtually all of it ready to send off. The competence test has turned out to be a non event, with several trainees having already gained their pass certificate. Non-event really.

cymaz17/11/2019 05:56:11
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Posted by SIMON CRAGG on 17/11/2019 04:01:44:

As club sec. my job has been to collect the £9.00 per head from our 40 or so members. So far, not one member has whinged about it, and I have collected virtually all of it ready to send off. The competence test has turned out to be a non event, with several trainees having already gained their pass certificate. Non-event really.

Exactly

cymaz17/11/2019 05:56:13
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We could have been charged for the flying test as well 

Edited By cymaz on 17/11/2019 05:58:39

leccyflyer17/11/2019 08:28:02
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Posted by SIMON CRAGG on 17/11/2019 04:01:44:

As club sec. my job has been to collect the £9.00 per head from our 40 or so members. So far, not one member has whinged about it, and I have collected virtually all of it ready to send off. The competence test has turned out to be a non event, with several trainees having already gained their pass certificate. Non-event really.

I'm struggling to understand why you would have collected the £9 registration fee from your members before the BMFA AGM and BMFA subscriptions for 2020 have been set? What is the rush? The BMFA advice has been to wait until this is settled and to follow their recommended procedure in renewing alongside your membership renewal.

Steve J17/11/2019 08:51:23
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Posted by SIMON CRAGG on 17/11/2019 04:01:44:

As club sec. my job has been to collect the £9.00 per head from our 40 or so members. The competence test has turned out to be a non event, with several trainees having already gained their pass certificate.

Correct me if I am misunderstanding, but are you saying that you have members who are doing the online CAA competency test and then giving you a cheque for £9 for operator registration?

SIMON CRAGG17/11/2019 09:14:48
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Posted by leccyflyer on 17/11/2019 08:28:02:
Posted by SIMON CRAGG on 17/11/2019 04:01:44:

As club sec. my job has been to collect the £9.00 per head from our 40 or so members. So far, not one member has whinged about it, and I have collected virtually all of it ready to send off. The competence test has turned out to be a non event, with several trainees having already gained their pass certificate. Non-event really.

I'm struggling to understand why you would have collected the £9 registration fee from your members before the BMFA AGM and BMFA subscriptions for 2020 have been set? What is the rush? The BMFA advice has been to wait until this is settled and to follow their recommended procedure in renewing alongside your membership renewal.

Dont struggle with it fella. Its a no brainer!. Our subs were due earlier than most at our AGM in October, so collected prior to the confirmed £9.00 registration and the suggested £4.00 BMFA hike which we are absorbing. Simples. Relevant members getting on with the CAA test, without any issues.

Simon Chaddock17/11/2019 09:17:49
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Is there not a danger that the things will get administratively rather complex if the BMFA negotiate an arrangement with the CAA for January 2020 yet some club members have proceeded to register on their own?

RC Plane Flyer17/11/2019 09:48:31
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May be a little of topics but saw a TV shopping channel last night selling Drones at £99 but what was interesting and I missed the full link was referring to the Drone Agency for guidance

Glyn4417/11/2019 10:16:35
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I only fly electric fixed wing and I’m wondering if it would be acceptable for me to display my CAA registration number on my battery’s. Either using a permanent marker pen or a self adhesive label on a visible side of the lipo. So if I made sure that each and every battery had my correct ID surely that would that suffice as the id number is constant and does not change with the aircraft. I can’t get airborne without battery power. ( my gliders are all powered as well)

What do you think? Or does it have to be displayed externally?

Bob Cotsford17/11/2019 10:42:59
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Posted by Glyn44 on 17/11/2019 10:16:35:

I only fly electric fixed wing and I’m wondering if it would be acceptable for me to display my CAA registration number on my battery’s.

there speaks a man who has never lost a battery in flight face 1! Inside the battery compartment should be ok, but it does say 'on the main body' etc.

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