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Bob Burton18/11/2019 21:29:12
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I just took the BMFA online test to see what all the fuss was about.

My Registration Competency Certificate which I have just downloaded says that the Certificate Number is %RESULT_ID%. My name and the the date overlays the "is awarded to" text and indicates that the certificate is for Model Aircraft which, as I fly mostly multirotors makes me wonder whether the certificate is relevant in any case

I am not impressed

Andy Symons - BMFA18/11/2019 21:29:32
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Posted by Ron Gray on 18/11/2019 20:54:34:
Posted by Steve J on 18/11/2019 15:44:43:
Posted by Ron Gray on 18/11/2019 15:33:04:

As a matter of interest, following a successful completion of the BLMA competency test how long does the resultant licence last for?

Combined with ORS4 1331 it exempts you from 94F until the 30th June.

Doesn’t that just refer to the exemption if you hold a valid basic proficiency cert not the latest BMFA on line test? But if not then why do the BMFA test when the CAA one gives a 3 year licence?

The fact is the RCC which is also a 3 year validity is just as likley to be accepted for the full 3 years as the CAA test.

GONZO18/11/2019 22:05:42
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Have we had any clarification as to the airspace and site requirements for model aircraft for the first half of 2020? Does the A3 site requirement apply and what about public open spaces especially with footpaths?

Ron Gray18/11/2019 22:24:26
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Posted by Andy Symons - BMFA on 18/11/2019 21:29:32:
Posted by Ron Gray on 18/11/2019 20:54:34:
Posted by Steve J on 18/11/2019 15:44:43:
Posted by Ron Gray on 18/11/2019 15:33:04:

As a matter of interest, following a successful completion of the BLMA competency test how long does the resultant licence last for?

Combined with ORS4 1331 it exempts you from 94F until the 30th June.

Doesn’t that just refer to the exemption if you hold a valid basic proficiency cert not the latest BMFA on line test? But if not then why do the BMFA test when the CAA one gives a 3 year licence?

The fact is the RCC which is also a 3 year validity is just as likley to be accepted for the full 3 years as the CAA test.

Sorry to push on this one Andy, but I do like clarity! The CAA cert / licence is definitely for 3 years. At this moment in time if you go through the BMFA route do you also get a 3 year licence? Without being too blunt, yes or no?

Andy Symons - BMFA18/11/2019 23:03:22
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The RCC is valid for 3 years, As neither the CAA or anyone else knows exactly what is in store yet after June next year you cannot have a yes/no answer because the answer is don't know. (including for the CAA cert)

Andy Symons - BMFA18/11/2019 23:04:07
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Posted by GONZO on 18/11/2019 22:05:42:

Have we had any clarification as to the airspace and site requirements for model aircraft for the first half of 2020? Does the A3 site requirement apply and what about public open spaces especially with footpaths?

Nothing has changed, carry on as you were.

Dickw18/11/2019 23:14:22
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Posted by Bob Burton on 18/11/2019 21:29:12:

I just took the BMFA online test to see what all the fuss was about.

My Registration Competency Certificate which I have just downloaded says that the Certificate Number is %RESULT_ID%. My name and the the date overlays the "is awarded to" text and indicates that the certificate is for Model Aircraft which, as I fly mostly multirotors makes me wonder whether the certificate is relevant in any case

I am not impressed

When you start the test the second question is "Do you fly a model aircraft or drone with a camera attached - YES or NO"

If you reply "NO" you get model aircraft related questions and the "Model Aircraft" certificate.

If you reply "YES" the questions include some perhaps more MR related questions and you end up with a "Camera equipped Model Aircraft and Drones" certificate.

I did both - but the "camera version" is now the only one that shows on my membership as it covers both.

Hope that helps.

Dick

Ron Gray19/11/2019 05:29:44
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Thanks Andy, you have answered my question, at this moment in time, the RCC is valid for 3 years just as the CAA licence.

GONZO19/11/2019 07:00:50
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Posted by Andy Symons - BMFA on 18/11/2019 23:04:07:
Posted by GONZO on 18/11/2019 22:05:42:

Have we had any clarification as to the airspace and site requirements for model aircraft for the first half of 2020? Does the A3 site requirement apply and what about public open spaces especially with footpaths?

Nothing has changed, carry on as you were.

Andy,

Do you mean carry on using the less onerous and restrictive BMFA site and distance guide lines or use the CAP 1789 distance requirements as shown in the table on page 32? (model aircraft fall into site/airspace requirements category A3)

If its carry on using the BMFA distance guidelines when does CAP 1789 site/airspace requirements, specifically A3 which pertain to model aircraft, come into force?

SIMON CRAGG19/11/2019 07:25:53
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Posted by Jason-I on 18/11/2019 19:59:57:
Posted by SIMON CRAGG on 18/11/2019 19:25:32:

Another of our members completed the "test" today and got there "FLY" number.

He was also invited to pay £9.00, which he did, and is now the proud owner of an operators number.

Feedback? "Piece of cake". Cant see what all the fuss is about!.

I just don't understand why on earth BMFA members are chomping at the bit to pay this lousy air tax 2 months earlier than they have to.....

Because they can fella, and we all get on with having "FUN", and not pontificating endlessly about a simple process.

Kevin 21619/11/2019 07:38:58
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I must have missed something! What is the point of doing the BMFA competency test for either model aircraft or drone when the CAA test covers both?

Andy Symons - BMFA19/11/2019 08:52:10
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Posted by Kevin 216 on 19/11/2019 07:38:58:

I must have missed something! What is the point of doing the BMFA competency test for either model aircraft or drone when the CAA test covers both?

BMFA test covers both

Kevin 21619/11/2019 09:06:49
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Posted by Andy Symons - BMFA on 19/11/2019 08:52:10:
Posted by Kevin 216 on 19/11/2019 07:38:58:

I must have missed something! What is the point of doing the BMFA competency test for either model aircraft or drone when the CAA test covers both?

BMFA test covers both

Andy - I really meant to post that I am struggling to understand why the BMFA are running a separate competency registration.

Frank Skilbeck19/11/2019 09:09:51
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Posted by Kevin 216 on 19/11/2019 07:38:58:

I must have missed something! What is the point of doing the BMFA competency test for either model aircraft or drone when the CAA test covers both?

I suspect they've done this as many traditional fliers have complained that the CAA test asks them "drone" questions which are not applicable to them.

I fly conventional models LOS >95% of the time but do fly fixed wing FPV now and again so I did the camera equipped RCC out of interest.

One of our new members who is still on a buddy box turned up at our AGM yesterday with his RCC certificate and noted how easy it was to take.

SIMON CRAGG19/11/2019 09:38:57
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Posted by Frank Skilbeck on 19/11/2019 09:09:51:
Posted by Kevin 216 on 19/11/2019 07:38:58:

I must have missed something! What is the point of doing the BMFA competency test for either model aircraft or drone when the CAA test covers both?

I suspect they've done this as many traditional fliers have complained that the CAA test asks them "drone" questions which are not applicable to them.

I fly conventional models LOS >95% of the time but do fly fixed wing FPV now and again so I did the camera equipped RCC out of interest.

One of our new members who is still on a buddy box turned up at our AGM yesterday with his RCC certificate and noted how easy it was to take.

The chaps from our club who have completed the CAA test, have commented on the fact that the test is biased towards drones, but the questions are based on common sense so no biggy.

SIMON CRAGG19/11/2019 09:38:59
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Posted by Frank Skilbeck on 19/11/2019 09:09:51:
Posted by Kevin 216 on 19/11/2019 07:38:58:

I must have missed something! What is the point of doing the BMFA competency test for either model aircraft or drone when the CAA test covers both?

I suspect they've done this as many traditional fliers have complained that the CAA test asks them "drone" questions which are not applicable to them.

I fly conventional models LOS >95% of the time but do fly fixed wing FPV now and again so I did the camera equipped RCC out of interest.

One of our new members who is still on a buddy box turned up at our AGM yesterday with his RCC certificate and noted how easy it was to take.

The chaps from our club who have completed the CAA test, have commented on the fact that the test is biased towards drones, but the questions are based on common sense so no biggy.

SIMON CRAGG19/11/2019 09:38:59
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Posted by Frank Skilbeck on 19/11/2019 09:09:51:
Posted by Kevin 216 on 19/11/2019 07:38:58:

I must have missed something! What is the point of doing the BMFA competency test for either model aircraft or drone when the CAA test covers both?

I suspect they've done this as many traditional fliers have complained that the CAA test asks them "drone" questions which are not applicable to them.

I fly conventional models LOS >95% of the time but do fly fixed wing FPV now and again so I did the camera equipped RCC out of interest.

One of our new members who is still on a buddy box turned up at our AGM yesterday with his RCC certificate and noted how easy it was to take.

The chaps from our club who have completed the CAA test, have commented on the fact that the test is biased towards drones, but the questions are based on common sense so no biggy.

SR 7119/11/2019 10:02:39
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I did the online test and down loaded the certificate

The thing is i dont have a printer, so theres another problem

Im nearly 80 years old and dont like computers, and all this is making me give up the hobbie i started as a 10 year old, ill do something else, where theres none of this bull$€!/

Alan Gorham_19/11/2019 10:09:57
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You did the test knowing you need a copy of the certificate and because you don't have a printer you are giving up the hobby?

SIMON CRAGG19/11/2019 10:21:23
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Posted by Alan Gorham_ on 19/11/2019 10:09:57:

You did the test knowing you need a copy of the certificate and because you don't have a printer you are giving up the hobby?

Say no more Alan!

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