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Wingman21/11/2019 12:44:13
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Posted by Martin Harris on 21/11/2019 12:19:31:

Wouldn't the analogy be that the £9 payment would allow you to use your mobile phone?.

As long as you comply with all regulations pertaining to its use(!) carry a copy of relevant exemptions and stick a ID label on the phonesmiley

Dickw21/11/2019 12:47:31
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Posted by Nigel Heather on 21/11/2019 12:32:59:......................

Two issues immediately

1) Not flying out of sight - the ones I have seen flying are doing this all the time

2) Having a dedicated spotter to maintain line of sight at all times. Never seen one with a dedicated spotter. Also I have watched out of interest and I was not able to keep track of them even when they weren’t obstructed - too small, too fast, too erratic, too many in the air at the same time.

Unless I am mistaken, I don’t think the law required this before now, so big change in the way they fly.

Cheers,

Nigel

Edited By Nigel Heather on 21/11/2019 12:34:53

Nigel

Those requirements have been in force for several years, and have been part of the Mandatory questions in the BMFA Achievement scheme tests for several years.

If people have been ignorant of this, or ignoring it, that just supports the CAA's case for DRES.

Dick

Nigel R21/11/2019 13:08:54
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"flouting what is now law, just because I consider it unnecessary and futile in its effectiveness against malicious intent"

At the risk of repeating what has been said a huge number of times already, the prime intent is to support commercialisation of 400-1000ft region.

Nigel Heather21/11/2019 16:20:10
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Posted by Dickw on 21/11/2019 12:47:31:
Posted by Nigel Heather on 21/11/2019 12:32:59:......................

Two issues immediately

1) Not flying out of sight - the ones I have seen flying are doing this all the time

2) Having a dedicated spotter to maintain line of sight at all times. Never seen one with a dedicated spotter. Also I have watched out of interest and I was not able to keep track of them even when they weren’t obstructed - too small, too fast, too erratic, too many in the air at the same time.

Unless I am mistaken, I don’t think the law required this before now, so big change in the way they fly.

Cheers,

Nigel

Edited By Nigel Heather on 21/11/2019 12:34:53

Nigel

Those requirements have been in force for several years, and have been part of the Mandatory questions in the BMFA Achievement scheme tests for several years.

If people have been ignorant of this, or ignoring it, that just supports the CAA's case for DRES.

Dick

I wasn’t aware of that. In that case virtually every FPV pilot I have seen, and most of the UK drone videos that get uploaded has been breaking the law.

Cheers,

Nigel

Alan Gorham_21/11/2019 16:26:10
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If only there was some kind of national education, proof of competence and registration scheme to stop such behaviour....

Martin_K21/11/2019 16:28:59
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Arrest for FPV offence, 7 May 2019.

cymaz21/11/2019 16:37:41
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Well, I think the whole thread is now going around in circles and getting nowhere. We all know the rules and what’s involved.

Like it or lump it........I’m off this thread , goodbye

Nigel Heather21/11/2019 16:43:57
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Posted by Alan Gorham_ on 21/11/2019 16:26:10:

If only there was some kind of national education, proof of competence and registration scheme to stop such behaviour....

If only the authorities had enforced it in the first place.

If you are saying the legislation already existed what is the need for a registration system. There should have been arrests all over place.

As I said, most of the FPV flying I have seen and most of the UK drone videos I have seen uploaded has apparently been done illegally and yet the Police have done nothing about it.

Cheers,

Nigel

Edited By Nigel Heather on 21/11/2019 16:44:18

Alan Gorham_21/11/2019 16:48:38
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I think what I'm really saying is that you didn't know the rules Nigel. Perhaps some good may yet come out of this scheme...

Martin_K21/11/2019 16:57:39
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Posted by Nigel Heather on 21/11/2019 16:43:57:

As I said, most of the FPV flying I have seen and most of the UK drone videos I have seen uploaded has apparently been done illegally and yet the Police have done nothing about it.

Cheers,

Nigel

Edited By Nigel Heather on 21/11/2019 16:44:18

Nothing? Maybe not at your flying field.

I just posted a link referring to the UAV team at Lincolnshire Police.

I have previously posted about the Met Police arriving at flying sites. (Proximity to Heathrow and the London Helicopter Lanes may mean the law is more 'on the case' in my district).

As has been said umpteen times in these threads, pilots with a Flyer ID will no longer be able to claim ignorance of the law.

Steve J21/11/2019 17:00:10
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Posted by Martin_K on 21/11/2019 16:57:39:

As has been said umpteen times in these threads, pilots with a Flyer ID will no longer be able to claim ignorance of the law.

Whereas people with a twenty year old BMFA 'A' will .

Cuban821/11/2019 17:02:14
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Lets face it, this registration scheme is a vanity project, I'm stumped as to what good it will do for aeromodelling - we are where we are though, have to cough up and lump it for the time being. It was winding me up but I can't give a flying fig now, it's so absurd. Keep calm and keep flying.

Edited By Cuban8 on 21/11/2019 17:05:55

Peter Christy21/11/2019 17:46:11
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Posted by Cuban8 on 21/11/2019 17:02:14:

Lets face it, this registration scheme is a vanity project, I'm stumped as to what good it will do for aeromodelling - we are where we are though, have to cough up and lump it for the time being. It was winding me up but I can't give a flying fig now, it's so absurd. Keep calm and keep flying.

Edited By Cuban8 on 21/11/2019 17:05:55

Quite!

yes

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Pete

Nigel Heather21/11/2019 17:55:29
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Posted by Alan Gorham_ on 21/11/2019 16:48:38:

I think what I'm really saying is that you didn't know the rules Nigel. Perhaps some good may yet come out of this scheme...

Yes indeed. Although as I have never flown FPV and no desire to, it is not surprising that I did not know the specific legislation relating to them.

It’s the the FPV pilots in the country that need to follow the rules.

This all started because I expressed that the biggest impact would be on them, and I stand by that. I now know that legislation already existed, but clearly every FPV pilot I have seen must have been unaware them too - so now that they are aware, their flying style will have to be very different.

I do not fly, and have never flown FPV.

I am going to register as a pilot and as an operator.

Cheers,

Nigel

john stones 121/11/2019 18:01:06
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I see it differently, where was it ever stated it's for the good of aeromodelling ?

We got caught up in an evolving world, thanks to those fighting our corner, we still have a future. That's it.

Calm yourselves, go enjoy your hobby.

To those who don't want to accept the reality, please yourselves.

GONZO22/11/2019 09:21:11
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Posted by Steve J on 21/11/2019 17:00:10:

Posted by Martin_K on 21/11/2019 16:57:39:

As has been said umpteen times in these threads, pilots with a Flyer ID will no longer be able to claim ignorance of the law.

Whereas people with a twenty year old BMFA 'A' will .

My A cert will be 40 years old comes April 2020surprisesmileysmiley

Cuban822/11/2019 10:47:33
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Posted by john stones 1 on 21/11/2019 18:01:06:

I see it differently, where was it ever stated it's for the good of aeromodelling ?

We got caught up in an evolving world, thanks to those fighting our corner, we still have a future. That's it.

Calm yourselves, go enjoy your hobby.

To those who don't want to accept the reality, please yourselves.

If a law doesn't do any good or is expected by its target audience to not be any good - whichever way it's dressed up and sold, it's not a good law. If accepting reality really means accepting as completely right, every time, anything that anyone - governments, employers, club committees or anyone else for that matter as being beyond critique, then we're really in big trouble. Those that are happy with this arrangement, please yourselves.............. I fear that our hobby's future is far from secure and that all of us need to be monitoring future developments with caution.

As I said before I don't allow myself to be wound up by beaurocracy or those that seem to luxuriate in it - try contacting your local council for more or less anything to see this in all it's splendour. The saga of the blocked drain outside my house would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic - anyway, not going there. Enough!laugh

 

Edited By Cuban8 on 22/11/2019 10:50:12

Ron Gray22/11/2019 10:51:02
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Spot on Cuban8 yes

Martin Harris22/11/2019 11:11:46
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Posted by Cuban8 on 22/11/2019 10:47:33:

If accepting reality really means accepting as completely right, every time, anything that anyone - governments, employers, club committees or anyone else for that matter as being beyond critique, then we're really in big trouble. Those that are happy with this arrangement, please yourselves..............

Edited By Cuban8 on 22/11/2019 10:50:12

There's a massive difference between just rolling over and with accepting that the due process of democracy has been followed. Ignoring the resulting law because you simply disagree with it is the thin edge of anarchy.

While I intend to comply with the law as it stands, it does not mean that I agree or see any justification in it.

I shall continue to support attempts to modify the legislation wherever possible.

Michael Adams 322/11/2019 11:15:04
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Hi, why don't every one leave this alone & see what the future brings, I have got my two numbers, so I can fly when the weather allows, I know it is good to talk but this is doing no good for any one.

I have paid my £9 to the CAA so all I have to do now is pay the BMFA subs again for 2020 & I am good to go.laugh.

I have the use of a private air strip laugh. how lucky is that, do not need a club as there is not one near enough to join.

Surely just do as we are asked & get on with it, I do agree the BMFA are doing a wonderful job so let them do it for all of us. The plane in my picture was used in the war & still has a bullet hole in the fuse. it still uses the same strip as we do, just the two of us, country members, we make our own rules as well as the BMFA & CAA ones.

All the best . Mike.

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