|Don Fry||12/12/2019 13:52:31|
4557 forum posts
No, I have always liked the BFMA, always an organisation with a fine record of supporting all branches of toy plane flying, and leagues better tha their French equivalent. But working with terminal stupids like the current government, aided and abetted by the CAA, air traffic people, el al, must be hair pulling work.
Say what you like, the current minister only looks good because he is compared with Failing Grayling.
Now I think I will have one more word, then shut up. How much trust would you have in an organisation that tells you one thing over the table, then writes something else down in the contract. That is what the CAA have done.
|Chris Berry||12/12/2019 14:00:06|
|254 forum posts|
As someone who writes policy for a living and is used to playing with legal speak I would happily sit in a courtroom and argue that case. Not that it would ever reach a courtroom of course.
|Chris Berry||12/12/2019 14:09:22|
|254 forum posts|
I think you're overreacting somewhat and suggesting something that makes your life harder, I don't get it???
If someone wanted to crash a drone near an airport I don't think they would bother messing with numbers. You say anyone. Who do you mean? Your club mates or a member of your family, as presumably you don't leave your model in view of the public or sitting on your drive?
It is against the law to smoke in your place of work, be that a truck, bus, car, office, taxi or building site or if children are in a car. How many arrests and prosecutions have there been for those offences? I suspect very few if any. How many of you worrying about these new regulations have smoked in your place of work since 2007? How many of you have travelled in excess of the speed limit?
The Drone regulations are very similar to the smoking ban. The police wont enforce unless there are complaints.
Anyway, I said enough on this topic, I've got a life to lead and a hobby to enjoy.
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|ken anderson.||12/12/2019 15:30:41|
8622 forum posts
bearing in mind that we are getting promised that we will be getting 20K more police officers,i don't...even in my wildest dreams or imagination think that I will be requested by an officer of the law to show him my right to fly bits of paper etc for my model aircraft or whatever on our club site.
as for the on line test,dont you think that if they do nab someone for doing something they shouldn't,the authorities will use the fact that you have answered all the reqd questions ...so you cant claim to be ignorant of the fact of what you are doing.
as for the buddy box/trainer bit,(me personally)in the real world - would say..."have a quick go" and that's it...then put my halo back on...…. come on be honest in your thoughts when reading this...and once again 3 cheer's for the BMFA.....I'm no more than an ordinary member,same as you all...
ken anderson...ne..1...Halo dept.
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|Engine Doctor||12/12/2019 15:53:36|
2460 forum posts
Be careful what you wish for ! The powers that be make a pigs ear out of the present set . Imagine what it would be like if we had to register each model ?
Anyway the number doesn't have to be visible it clearly states your number has to be IN or ON a model . Mine will all be IN the model
|Don Fry||12/12/2019 15:54:20|
4557 forum posts
Ken,Glad there is someone else who would do a risk assessment, and carry on.
|Martin Harris||12/12/2019 16:26:58|
9257 forum posts
Easy enough to prove it isn't one of my models if someone should find some reason to clone my operator's number - every model I build contains my DNA - usually coloured red for easy identification!
In all seriousness, the fact that "my" number was to appear on a misbehaving model - however unlikely unless someone had a serious grudge with me - wouldn't constitute any proof that I was either operating it or had authorised its use. I won't lose many nights sleep over the possibility of a visit from Special Branch...
|Tim Flyer||12/12/2019 19:50:32|
1266 forum posts
I would also like to say a big Thank You to all the BMFA team and their helpers ( some of whom are on this thread) for all their hard work with the change in regulations . They have made what could be a dreadful situation quite manageable and their hard work to protect our hobby is very much appreciated 👍
|Nigel Heather||20/12/2019 11:06:22|
|239 forum posts|
I have done the test and registered.
But two observations
|Peter Miller||20/12/2019 11:14:24|
10928 forum posts
Maybe the authorities will realise this problem and insist that all our models also feature a photo of the owner.
I just thought I might add to the paranoia and insanity of some of the things on this thread
|252 forum posts|
Or a photocopy of our passports!
|Alan Gorham_||20/12/2019 11:34:41|
1218 forum posts
Imagine if all the cars, lorries and buses on the road had a registration number clearly displayed for people to clone. Probably a stupid idea that would never catch on.
I bet it would be quite easy to prove that you weren't actually flying a drone should your number happen to be cloned. A simple alibi would normally be enough I would think.
Also, are our models in front of the public enough for someone criminal to even see the number to be able to clone it? No is my answer to that.
In any case, this is a done deal so if you don't display an operator ID on or in your model then you are flying unlawfully, which seems a much worse alternative to me than any of the scenarios you outlined.
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|Nigel R||20/12/2019 12:14:29|
3710 forum posts
what if we don't have a passport?
(mine's simply due for renewal, before you ask)
"there is an increasing movement towards drones that avoid legislation by weighing in at 249g"
And they have FPV capability.
1354 forum posts
If they have any information gathering device 'fitted'(doesn't have to be used) like a camera/microphone then you will have to register and pay the model tax.
|144 forum posts||
Are model shops publishing regulations in-store or on-line? I haven't seen any so doing.
Are only quadcopter makers building sub 250 gram models? I stopped the build of a larger model and switched to a sub 250 gram fixed wing project.
I am not avoiding legislation, I am complying with it as I see fit, i.e. until the exact implementation of the EASA rules are known I will hedge my bets.
|Brian Cooper||20/12/2019 13:55:32|
536 forum posts
I was in Lidl yesterday and they had two different models of large drones for sale. . Both clearly aimed at the Christmas market, and both were obviously over 250 grams. ...and not a single reference to any CAA legislation.
I pointed this out to the management in the shop, and just got a blank stare in return. . I might as well have been speaking a foreign language.
There's going to be a lot of people, young and not so young, who will be breaking the law on Christmas morning.
1354 forum posts
Exactly, plus I thought I'd give CL a try as I've never done it. 1st July and the 'flavour' of discussions .should give an idea of the way things may be going
|Don Fry||20/12/2019 14:18:48|
4557 forum posts
Do they. Has something changed, I thought the operator tax applied to weight only.
And on a practical level Gonzo, when learning to fly control line, or reaqainting with it past childhood, don't do it on a full stomach. Ask me how I know.
How I hate spellcheckers
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|Peter Miller||20/12/2019 14:26:33|
10928 forum posts
You know, there must be something wrong with the members in our club.
The ones with A and B certs will just hand in their £9 and allthe others have passed the tests with no trouble.
Not a moan, No bellyaching, not an argument, Not a single "I am going to give up modelling!" They all just got on with it. From all the above, all 58 pages of it, obviously none of us are normal.
Thank God for that!!!
|Steve J||20/12/2019 14:36:55|
1819 forum posts
The current UK regulations are weight only. The EU regulation that applies from the 1st July has other conditions.
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