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Steve J07/01/2020 17:36:37
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Posted by MattyB on 07/01/2020 17:08:15:

The remote ID requirements seem to apply only to RTF products, but the devil is in the detail and it wouldn't surprise me if UK legislators decided to move in the same direction as France where remote ID is required for anything over 250g outside certain recognised flying sites.

We should get an idea how things are going to go when the DfT respond to the Commons STC report. The report recommends that "The Government should ensure all drones, including existing drones, are electronically conspicuous within two years.".

Edited By Steve J on 07/01/2020 17:47:49

cymaz07/01/2020 17:39:09
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Posted by Steve J on 07/01/2020 17:36:37:

Posted by MattyB on 07/01/2020 17:08:15:

The remote ID requirements seem to apply only to RTF products, but the devil is in the detail and it wouldn't surprise me if UK legislators decided to move in the same direction as France where remote ID is required for anything over 250g outside certain recognised flying sites.

We should get an idea how things are going to go when the DfT respond to the Commons STC report. The report recommends that "The Government should ensure all drones, including existing drones, are electronically conspicuous within two years.".

All mine are visually conspicuous....now. Is the report assuming drone as in quadcopters or the correct usage and UAVs

Steve J08/01/2020 10:25:41
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Posted by Steve J on 07/01/2020 16:50:05:

Some countries (e.g. France) seem to be going beyond what the regulations require.

FFAM and Finesseplus articles.

cymaz08/01/2020 19:19:24
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I’ve got the reasoning behind the new EASA Regs! Here

Andrew Hogg09/01/2020 07:23:04
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Hi, have a question, I live and fly models in Qatar, so have not bothered to get this license,

So, when I come visit the UK am I allowed to go and by a shiny new Wots Wot from my model shop or do I need the license to purchase any models, is it just to operate?

if you need before purchase then I know a couple of Qatar guy here who come over and spend 10 to 15 thousand on models each visit who will not be happy.

be safe

Andy

Don Fry09/01/2020 07:27:16
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You can buy what you want Andrew. Just need paperwork if they fly in the UK.

Andrew Hogg09/01/2020 08:47:50
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Thanks Don

Martin_K09/01/2020 12:30:27
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AAIB (Air Accidents Investigation Branch) Bulletin

The January 2020 Bulletin includes an investigation onto an accident involving a DJI Matrice 210 UAS. Reading the report (starting on page 10) gives some insight into how commercial Unmanned Aircraft Systems operations are being managed in the UK.

Steve J09/01/2020 17:40:03
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The Air Traffic Management and Unmanned Aircraft Bill is back. It had its first reading in the Lords this morning.

Steve J10/01/2020 15:47:55
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Posted by Steve J on 09/01/2020 17:40:03:

The Air Traffic Management and Unmanned Aircraft Bill is back.

Now up on the Parliament website.

**LINK**

Steve J27/01/2020 15:41:38
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Posted by Steve J on 09/01/2020 17:40:03:

The Air Traffic Management and Unmanned Aircraft Bill is back.

Second reading in the Lord's this afternoon.

Article on DfT website.

Edited By Steve J on 27/01/2020 15:51:59

Jason-I29/01/2020 16:00:42
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Latest rant from New Zealand:

 

 

 

Edited By Jason-I on 29/01/2020 16:04:24

GONZO31/01/2020 10:55:06
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And his follow up

NOT A RANT BUT AN ADMONISHMENT

Peter Miller31/01/2020 11:07:54
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A club member was in a camera shop in a major chain the other day.

He commented to the assistant about the rules for drones as they looked at a couple of £1000 Marvics.

The assistant said "Oh we don't bother about that!"

My letter regarding the rules etc has just been published in the current Amatuer Photographer. The editor is now planning an article on the subject

Nigel Heather03/02/2020 21:11:06
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Posted by Peter Miller on 31/01/2020 11:07:54:

A club member was in a camera shop in a major chain the other day.

He commented to the assistant about the rules for drones as they looked at a couple of £1000 Marvics.

The assistant said "Oh we don't bother about that!"

My letter regarding the rules etc has just been published in the current Amatuer Photographer. The editor is now planning an article on the subject


I suspect there will be a fair bit of flaunting the laws to various degrees, you only have to look at recent videos on Youtube to see fliers openly mot abiding with the regulations.

Last December I was speaking to some FPV Drone pilots who are going to register and label their aircraft as required. I asked them how they were going to manage the need for a ‘line of sight at all times spotter’ to which they replied that they wouldn’t be bothering with that, “who’s to know” they said.

Cheers,

Nigel

Simon Chaddock03/02/2020 22:12:44
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It is worth noting that the January 2020 AAIB monthly accident report now includes incidents from commercially flown UAS. It also includes a full AAIB field investigation into an incident with a DJI Matric 210 UAS.

The worrying thing is they draw a conclusion that a 4kg UAS in an uncontrolled free descent due to a motor failure is potentially lethal to a person on the ground. They do also note this situation is different to an engine failure on a winged plane.

In addition there are 7 other accident reports included that were submitted by UAS commercial pilots in 2019.

If anyone was looking for evidence that commercial flying near people is potentially dangerous.with the current reliability of rotor lift UAS.wink 2

Edited By Simon Chaddock on 03/02/2020 22:13:20

kc04/02/2020 12:28:36
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The probality is that a very high percentage of club members will comply with the rules ( the committeee will see to that ) yet the lone fliers and rogue fliers probably won't. However if any regular checks are made it will be clubs as they know where to find us and it will be very easy. The rogues will only get caught after some terrible incident happens. So club fliers beware - we are the ones who are most likely to be checked, perhaps just a noise complaint will instigate a check.

Steve J04/02/2020 13:01:28
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Posted by kc on 04/02/2020 12:28:36:

The probality is that a very high percentage of club members will comply with the rule yet the lone fliers and rogue fliers probably won't.

80k people had paid £9 to register with the CAA by the end of December. It is looking likely that, in a few months time, only a 1/3 of registrations will be association members.

Steve J04/02/2020 13:03:48
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Posted by Simon Chaddock on 03/02/2020 22:12:44:

The worrying thing is they draw a conclusion that a 4kg UAS in an uncontrolled free descent due to a motor failure is potentially lethal to a person on the ground.

Hence the weight splits in the ANO and EU regulations.

Steve J12/02/2020 07:49:19
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Posted by Steve J on 09/01/2020 17:40:03:

The Air Traffic Management and Unmanned Aircraft Bill is back.

Committee stage in the Lord's today for the UA half of the bill.

There are a few worrying amendments proposed by Lords pushing geofencing and electronic conspicuity.

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