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GONZO26/06/2020 11:45:56
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Barry, I could but for some reason I can't copy and past into this forum.

Jason-I26/06/2020 11:48:32
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No £9 back for me - I refused to sign up to this unfair and unjust scheme in the first place......

GONZO26/06/2020 11:53:26
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Same here Jason, got myself a ZOHD Dart 250g and a ZOHD Drift(sub250g). Interestingly people are reporting 90 min flying time with the Drift using 18650 3500mAh cells(2)

Barrie Lever26/06/2020 11:57:14
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Gonzo

I have got one of my people on it.

Thanks

B.

Jason-I26/06/2020 12:08:09
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Posted by GONZO on 26/06/2020 11:53:26:

Same here Jason, got myself a ZOHD Dart 250g and a ZOHD Drift(sub250g). Interestingly people are reporting 90 min flying time with the Drift using 18650 3500mAh cells(2)

I was aware of the dart, but had not seen the drift before. I may well pick one of these up for sorties closer to home....yes

GONZO26/06/2020 12:18:12
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Jason, there's a 'ZOHD Drift Owners Group' on Facebook, just join the group. Plus lots on YouTube.

Martin Harris26/06/2020 12:20:05
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I'm a little surprised we haven't had this from the BMFA - did they ask for the club's bank details for the refund to be processed? I would tread carefully...it could easily be a scam for someone to get their hands on your club funds.

Edited By Martin Harris on 26/06/2020 12:24:35

GONZO26/06/2020 12:35:14
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Martin, read the Facebook page via the link. All I know is what is there.

Steve J26/06/2020 12:37:47
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Posted by GONZO on 26/06/2020 11:28:55:

He stated that this was due to the collapse of the registration scheme.

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The ANO hasn't changed.

Sounds like a payment issue between the club and BMFA to me. Have the people who registered via the club been issued with OP numbers by the CAA?

Edited By Steve J on 26/06/2020 12:38:51

John Muir26/06/2020 12:41:24
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Club treasurer probably missed the second bulk upload date and is trying to shift the blame to the BMFA.

GONZO26/06/2020 12:44:48
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Steve, your asking questions I can't answer, 1/ I never paid, 2/ I'm not the treasurer. As the Facebook statement says a payment from the BMFA to the club.

Andy Symons - BMFA26/06/2020 12:47:23
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Posted by GONZO on 26/06/2020 11:28:55:

Let me throw a stone in the water and cause a few ripples(so unlike me). The treasurer of the club I belong to recently posted on our Facebook page that he had received a refund, from the BMFA, of all members registration fees(£9/per member) that had been done via the BMFA. He stated that this was due to the collapse of the registration scheme.

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I have been looking in to this, it's an admin error from the office.

GONZO26/06/2020 12:48:46
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Andy Symons has just posted on Facebook stating admin error and the CAA scheme has not collapsed.

Facebook link

Edited By GONZO on 26/06/2020 12:52:58

ken anderson.26/06/2020 15:42:43
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there's me thinking April 1st???

ken anderson....ne...1...mis-information dept.

Steve J15/09/2020 10:45:03
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The French association have sorted out a supplier of electronic IDs for people flying at sites which are not exempt.

9g and 40€.

**LINK**

GONZO15/09/2020 10:56:58
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Anyone care to bet on the cost in the UK, assuming it would be acceptable to the CAA. People may have to limit their fleet at £?? per plane. Although there is always the hope that they will not be required if flying at a registered club site.

MattyB15/09/2020 11:11:24
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Posted by Steve J on 15/09/2020 10:45:03:

The French association have sorted out a supplier of electronic IDs for people flying at sites which are not exempt.

9g and 40€.

**LINK**

Translation...

"The federation launched a call for tenders in the spring to provide licensees from clubs not exempted from electronic reporting with devices from the end of the year. A condition in this call for tenders was to provide all model aircraft manufacturers with the same commercial conditions.

The call for tenders has just been finalized and the company NAVEOL has been selected to provide 1000 warning beacons as a first step and also to offer them to model makers. The beacons will be certified in accordance with the decrees of 2019.

NAVEOL will offer all model makers the 9 g device at 40 €.

Even if the objective defended by the FFAM, since 2016, of having these devices at a lower price, has not been achieved, we can be pleased to see them arriving on the market at reasonable prices."

IF the beacons are compact enough, have minimal power requirements and can be easily moved from model to model (i.e. we can register a device against our pilot ID, not a specific model) then this could be a workable for flying from public access sites. My concern is that is rather a long line of ifs, and I think it is highly unlikely they will all be met on day 1. Certainly being forced to fit register every aircraft and fit a device emitting that aircraft's UID would probably represent a step too far for many (probably most) of us, resulting in widespread disobedience (let's be honest here, Police Officers are not exactly common in slope soaring hotspots so enforcement action is incredibly unlikely).

Steve J15/09/2020 11:17:18
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I haven't seen any indication as to which way the UK is going to go with electronic IDs/conspicuity.

The EU/EASA eID standard has slipped to November (the French are doing their own thing although the hardware should be the same). No sign of an ANO amendment. The ATM&UA bill seems to have stalled, the last debate on it was in the Lords in February.

Steve J15/09/2020 11:24:50
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Posted by MattyB on 15/09/2020 11:11:24:

IF the beacons are compact enough, have minimal power requirements and can be easily moved from model to model (i.e. we can register a device against our pilot ID, not a specific model) then this could be a workable for flying from public access sites.

9g is the same as an Aerobtec GPS.

MattyB15/09/2020 12:04:08
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Posted by Steve J on 15/09/2020 11:24:50:

Posted by MattyB on 15/09/2020 11:11:24:

IF the beacons are compact enough, have minimal power requirements and can be easily moved from model to model (i.e. we can register a device against our pilot ID, not a specific model) then this could be a workable for flying from public access sites.

9g is the same as an Aerobtec GPS.

Yeah, if it was just a simple GPS sensor that was registered to a pilot (not a model) then I have to admit it wouldn't be too bad. Let's wait and see though; with everything going on it's clear this has slipped way down the list of to dos Boris' crew. l've no doubt our esteemed public servants (whichever colour they are by that point) will find a way to make it as expensive/complex/minimally effective as possible once we finally get to the point of implementation...

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