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Steve J15/09/2020 12:55:27
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Posted by MattyB on 15/09/2020 12:04:08:

if it was just a simple GPS sensor that was registered to a pilot (not a model) then I have to admit it wouldn't be too bad.

The Delegated Regulation (2019/945 as amended) only requires the operator registration number.

l've no doubt our esteemed public servants (whichever colour they are by that point) will find a way to make it as expensive/complex/minimally effective as possible once we finally get to the point of implementation...

Indeed.

Steve J22/09/2020 20:48:58
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Altitude Angel are proposing a 'Drone Zone' south of Reading.

**LINK**

It doesn't say it in the article, but the only way that I can see that this works if if everything in the zone has a communications link with the Altitude Angel's UTM system which would set a worrying precedent.

MattyB23/09/2020 13:24:47
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Yep, according to the update that is exactly what they are planning...

”Drones flying within the ‘Arrow Drone Zone’ will be tracked and monitored via Altitude Angel’s UTM platform, GuardianUTM O/S, which communicates with ground and aerial infrastructure to provide automated navigation for drones flying within the Zone, pre-flight authorisations and automatic separation assurance.

Nearby manned aviation and even other non-participating drones are mapped in real-time so safe distances are maintained, and appropriate avoidance actions can be taken if they are predicted to be breached. If a conflict is detected, drones involved will be automatically given appropriate avoidance instructions, such as an instruction to change flight path, hold, return or land. A remote pilot will also be alerted, and manual control of the drone can be taken at any time. Drones flying within Arrow Drone Zones need no specialist equipment, such as new sensors, to utilise the Zone.”

Peter Christy23/09/2020 14:05:13
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Posted by MattyB on 23/09/2020 13:24:47:
"Drones flying within Arrow Drone Zones need no specialist equipment, such as new sensors, to utilise the Zone.”

Erm! So how does this work for us? Telepathy, perhaps? And since when has "drone" been a legal definition?

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Martin Harris23/09/2020 15:30:49
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I read it as the autonomous drones will (hopefully) sense and avoid other airborne objects - the zone being a defined area where the autonomous drones will be operating.

Edited By Martin Harris on 23/09/2020 15:31:30

Martin_K23/09/2020 15:38:26
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My possible explanations for the the reference to no 'specialist hardware on-board the drone';

They are assuming electronic conspicuity devices will be mandatory on all new drones so it will not be specialist hardware.

You have to be a registered user of the UTM system and request permission to take off before you fly.

We need more details than come in a press release.

Steve J23/09/2020 16:18:28
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Posted by Peter Christy on 23/09/2020 14:05:13:
Posted by MattyB on 23/09/2020 13:24:47:
"Drones flying within Arrow Drone Zones need no specialist equipment, such as new sensors, to utilise the Zone.”

Erm! So how does this work for us? Telepathy, perhaps? And since when has "drone" been a legal definition?

It's not a legal document. It's a press release.

I believe that they are playing fast and loose with the term 'specialist equipment'. I suspect that 'drones' in the area will need to have cellular links to Guardian UTM. The question for me is, are the CAA going to define the area as the UAV equivalent of a mandatory transponder zone?

Steve J21/10/2020 15:19:22
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CAP 1974, Drone and Model Aircraft Registration and Education System (DMARES) Enforcement Guidance

Martin Harris21/10/2020 15:37:32
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Hmm...

Two things jump out.

Although I carry a copy of my BMFA membership certificate on my mobile phone in order to "prove competence" and eligibility for the concessions, I did not elect to pay for a plastic card. The guidance seems to specify that I must be able to produce a membership card.

Secondly, in addition to the membership card, it seems to be a requirement to produce an "Association Competence Certificate" in addition to my membership card. I do actually have one of these but only because I undertook the incredibly difficult wink but a little more relevant BMFA competence test during the run-up to the legislation out of interest, as a potential instructor of members without A certificates.

Edited By Martin Harris on 21/10/2020 15:50:43

Alan Gorham_21/10/2020 15:39:37
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Lets play "Proof read the document for the CAA":

Oh dear, page 11 Section 3 Remote Pilot Competence Requirements, method 3. Exemption through a model flying association competency scheme.

Anybody got a BMFA Gold, Silver or Bronze Certificate? Thought not...

Steve J21/10/2020 15:53:54
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As MattyB has pointed out on another thread, having a Flyer ID rather than relying on an exemption may make your life easier in the unlikely event that plod asks for one.

Andy Symons - BMFA21/10/2020 17:54:05
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Posted by Alan Gorham_ on 21/10/2020 15:39:37:

Lets play "Proof read the document for the CAA":

Oh dear, page 11 Section 3 Remote Pilot Competence Requirements, method 3. Exemption through a model flying association competency scheme.

Anybody got a BMFA Gold, Silver or Bronze Certificate? Thought not...

The CAA have been informed and will be issuing an updated version.

The article 16 authorisation will pretty much do away with all the exemptions as they will become part of the authorisation so nobody will need to be carrying exemptions either, the CAA have also confirmed that either electronic copies of BMFA membership documents, a hard copy or the plastic membership card will meet all requirements as they show a members achievements.

Martin Harris21/10/2020 22:22:52
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yes

Steve J22/10/2020 07:21:56
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Posted by Andy Symons - BMFA on 21/10/2020 17:54:05:

The article 16 authorisation will pretty much do away with all the exemptions as they will become part of the authorisation so nobody will need to be carrying exemptions ...

Any indication as to when the authorisation will be agreed and published?

MattyB22/10/2020 07:51:18
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Posted by Andy Symons - BMFA on 21/10/2020 17:54:05:

The CAA have been informed and will be issuing an updated version.

The article 16 authorisation will pretty much do away with all the exemptions as they will become part of the authorisation so nobody will need to be carrying exemptions either, the CAA have also confirmed that either electronic copies of BMFA membership documents, a hard copy or the plastic membership card will meet all requirements as they show a members achievements.

If that is the case it would have been more sensible for them to wait to issue this document on enforcement - those following it will have to retrain within weeks of issue, and all the docs they would have been asking for will change. Just another example of how poorly this has been implemented by the authorities, but no real surprise there...

Steve J22/10/2020 08:04:58
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Posted by MattyB on 22/10/2020 07:51:18:

If that is the case it would have been more sensible for them to wait to issue this document on enforcement ...

It was probably issued because a manager asked why it hadn't been issued and wasn't interested in the reasons .

Peter Christy22/10/2020 10:25:46
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^^^^^^^^^

Very true!

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Andy Symons - BMFA22/10/2020 11:53:20
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Posted by Steve J on 22/10/2020 07:21:56:

Posted by Andy Symons - BMFA on 21/10/2020 17:54:05:

The article 16 authorisation will pretty much do away with all the exemptions as they will become part of the authorisation so nobody will need to be carrying exemptions ...

Any indication as to when the authorisation will be agreed and published?

I expect it will be well before 31st Dec.

sticky fingers22/10/2020 14:49:37
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This whole issue has been a unmitigated mess ever since someone somewhere saw £ signs.Having dealt with the CAA in the past I personally would not trust them to run a decent bath never mind Air legislation

Alan Gorham_22/10/2020 15:06:56
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While that may be true, personally I have to say I've spent a minimal amount of time and money complying with my end of the DMARES requirements and it has in no way detracted from my flying fun this year.

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