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Frank Skilbeck14/12/2019 10:59:49
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Just wondered how many fliers are flying without CAA registration etc. I say this because while we are all aware of the new requirements we recently gave a young aviation mad lad a couple of models to outfit and bring back to the club for testing. A 2 channel glider and IC trainer, he rang me up to tell me he'd flown the glider when he was out with his drone mates, I asked him if he'd registered (like we mentioned to him when he picked the models up), he said no and none of his mates were aware of the regulations so hadn't registered anyway.

He's going to have to get his Dad, a non-flyer, to register as an operator with the CAA and he's going t join the BMFA as a junior. But how many other teenage drone fliers are out there, blissfully unaware of the recent regulations, seems like the publicity has passed them over.

Ironically this young lad is also in the Air Cadets and has been having full size glider lessons (yes he's plane obsessed), so the CAA drone awareness only seems to be working with those in the know, is that their target?

Peter Miller14/12/2019 11:07:15
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I am not surprised in the slightest.

There was an article about drone photography inAmateur Photographer. It mentioned "regulations" but nothing else.

I think I may email them and ask them to explain the regulations in detail.

Andy Stephenson14/12/2019 11:41:16
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Generally teenagers these days don't engage with mainstream media so and as a result will be blissfully unaware of any new regs. It will be interesting to see if there is any policing of the regs having an effect on the teenage drone pilots out there.

Capt Kremen14/12/2019 11:44:41
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Recently, whilst being 'chaperoned' by my CEO around a certain major 'Penny Bazaar' high street/mall shop. I noticed a pile of quad copters for sale (£25-00).

Picking a box up, I flipped it over to read the smallish print on the back. Whilst the text did say not to fly near airports and a few other cautionary points, it hardly leapt out to me and, dare I say, would it to an eager youngster who just rips open the carton on the 25th!

Bob Cotsford14/12/2019 11:47:12
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There have been mentions on the BBC (tv), the BBC web site, Facebook (and I assume other social platforms) and many shops have POS leaflets. The issue has been highlighted in newspaper and tv articles over the last few months too. The problem is that a good many people seem to walk around in their own little self-contained worlds. Even members of my own club seem to have missed out on the furore of the last year and are only vaguely aware that this new requirement exists.

Simon Chaddock14/12/2019 12:00:36
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What will be really interesting is when and if the CAA release how many registrations have been made by say the end of January 2020?

I don't know if they have a 'target' to demonstrate that the regulation is achieving the desired result, whatever that may be, or what they might do if it is not met.

Phil 914/12/2019 12:07:59
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I suspect most people registering will already be BMFA members or members of a similar body representing their sport. Most lone flyers wont bother with it unless some kind of enforcement is put into place

Steve J14/12/2019 13:11:07
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The were 60,000 registrations in November.

Gary Manuel14/12/2019 13:34:21
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How do you know Steve? Is this freely available info?

Edited By Gary Manuel on 14/12/2019 13:36:06

Ace14/12/2019 13:54:51
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Is that registrations or tests?

Only I took the CAA test and both BMFA versions just to see what was required without completing, as being our club chairman I may need to offer advice to fellow members without an achievement pass.

Steve J14/12/2019 13:59:32
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Posted by Gary Manuel on 14/12/2019 13:34:21:

How do you know Steve?

Somebody did an FoI request and published the results.

Gary Manuel14/12/2019 16:03:47
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Posted by Steve J on 14/12/2019 13:59:32:
Posted by Gary Manuel on 14/12/2019 13:34:21:

How do you know Steve?

Somebody did an FoI request and published the results.

Interesting to see how it is after a full year.

Brian Cooper14/12/2019 16:19:23
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60,000....?? I would like to see the proof of that.

Frankly, it is doubtful there will be that many even after everyone in the BMFA registers.

EvilC5714/12/2019 16:22:32
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It wouldn't surprise me at all if there aren't vast swathes of people (drone fliers included) who know nothing of the CAA, BMFA or any regulations. As Bob Cotsford said above, many people seem to walk around in their own self-conatined little worlds these days - headphones on, or glued to their smartphones.

This was bought home to me on the local TV news recently when a university lecturer was being interviewed about the varying interest of her students with politics (in relation to recent events). She said they varied, from those who were interested and active, to those who apparently said "What's a general election?", when she tried to engage them on the subject. And she instisted she wasn't joking!

Edited By EvilC57 on 14/12/2019 16:23:25

Martin_K14/12/2019 16:36:52
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Posted by Brian Cooper on 14/12/2019 16:19:23:

60,000....?? I would like to see the proof of that.

Result of FOI request.

Remember that not all registrants are individuals, some are organisations. Linked document gives the split.

Edited By Martin_K on 14/12/2019 16:38:21

Edited By Martin_K on 14/12/2019 16:41:21

Frank Skilbeck14/12/2019 17:11:06
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On the flip side a work mate advised me recently he'd registered, I didn't even knew he flew a drone. Turns out he has a Parrot quad which he infrequently flies just to take photos/video.

Steve J14/12/2019 19:01:38
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Posted by Gary Manuel on 14/12/2019 16:03:47:
Posted by Steve J on 14/12/2019 13:59:32:
Posted by Gary Manuel on 14/12/2019 13:34:21:

How do you know Steve?

Somebody did an FoI request and published the results.

Interesting to see how it is after a full year.

The number in March would be interesting as it would include the people who have registered via the associations.

Anyway, it's looking like the associations members are very much a minority of drone and model aircraft flyers .

EvilC5714/12/2019 19:06:41
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Posted by Steve J on 14/12/2019 19:01:38:
Posted by Gary Manuel on 14/12/2019 16:03:47:
Posted by Steve J on 14/12/2019 13:59:32:
Posted by Gary Manuel on 14/12/2019 13:34:21:

How do you know Steve?

Somebody did an FoI request and published the results.

Interesting to see how it is after a full year.

The number in March would be interesting as it would include the people who have registered via the associations.

Anyway, it's looking like the associations members are very much a minority of drone and model aircraft flyers .

Bet it’s not 170,000 as the CAA originally thought though frown.

Steve J14/12/2019 19:12:21
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Posted by EvilC57 on 14/12/2019 19:06:41:

Bet it’s not 170,000 as the CAA originally thought though frown.

Their current guesstimate is 130k based on the number of registrations in Ireland (the 170k was based on splitting the difference between the rates in the US and Ireland). If they had 60k in November and there are between 20k and 30k to come from the associations, 130k by the end of next year does not look unreasonable.

Robin Colbourne15/12/2019 00:41:41
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Last night I was chatting to a friend who is 87 and flies free flight. He has never flown R/C or used a computer. He mentioned that something he had read something in Aeromodeller which would mean he is now grounded. I thought I would check what the required test consists of, but when I had a look at the CAA site, I would have had to enter name address etc.

Can anyone enlighten me what a non-computer using free flighter and BMFA member will have to do to be able to fly models over 250 grams?

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