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Kevin Fairgrieve16/01/2020 18:32:08
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FrSky Major Update for most TX and RX

With 3 TX and over 50 Rx this is not going to be a five minute job.

Kev

Ron Gray16/01/2020 18:39:20
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I'm in the same boat as you Kev, think I'll have to carefully plan when I carry this out!

Chris Bott - Moderator16/01/2020 18:50:47
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Thanks for the heads up Kev.

First of all, if I don't do this then my gear isn't going to stop working.

Second, it's very nice of them to tell us it needs doing, but have they instructed us how? Are files available for non FrOS users or do we have to go through the process of converting back to FrOS and then back to our favourite system again?

The cynic in me wonders whether this is an update just to stop cloned receivers working?

Edited By Chris Bott - Moderator on 16/01/2020 18:51:23

Tim Ballinger16/01/2020 18:55:32
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Clearly Frsky rate this as important but anyone know what the real life issue was?

Also never upgraded RX firmware before. Does it have to be upgraded to work with the upgraded Tx firmware or put another way will non upgraded RXs still work with an upgraded TX?

Tim

Kevin Fairgrieve16/01/2020 18:58:38
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Posted by Chris Bott - Moderator on 16/01/2020 18:50:47:

Thanks for the heads up Kev.

First of all, if I don't do this then my gear isn't going to stop working.

Second, it's very nice of them to tell us it needs doing, but have they instructed us how? Are files available for non FrOS users or do we have to go through the process of converting back to FrOS and then back to our favourite system again?

The cynic in me wonders whether this is an update just to stop cloned receivers working?

Edited By Chris Bott - Moderator on 16/01/2020 18:51:23

Agreed. At the moment I am going to do nothing!!!

Wait and see is my moto.

Mike Blandford16/01/2020 19:06:51
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Note that if you update a receiver then you won't be able to use a multi-protocol module (MPM) with that receiver as the MPM doesn't support this revised protocol (yet).

Mike

Andy4816/01/2020 19:24:27
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Posted by Chris Bott - Moderator on 16/01/2020 18:50:47:

Thanks for the heads up Kev.

First of all, if I don't do this then my gear isn't going to stop working.

Second, it's very nice of them to tell us it needs doing, but have they instructed us how? Are files available for non FrOS users or do we have to go through the process of converting back to FrOS and then back to our favourite system again?

The cynic in me wonders whether this is an update just to stop cloned receivers working?

Edited By Chris Bott - Moderator on 16/01/2020 18:51:23

The internal module can be flashed through OpenTX as of version 2.3. Haven't tried it yet though.

Andy4816/01/2020 19:27:12
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Posted by Tim Ballinger on 16/01/2020 18:55:32:

Clearly Frsky rate this as important but anyone know what the real life issue was?

Also never upgraded RX firmware before. Does it have to be upgraded to work with the upgraded Tx firmware or put another way will non upgraded RXs still work with an upgraded TX?

Tim

This is dead easy especially if you have a Sport lead permanently attached to each receiver. (Hint: if you don't have, then well worth doing!)Download the new files onto the SD card in the transmitter. With the Horus you simply plug that into the Sport socket on the Horus. Done in a couple of minutes

Edited By Andy48 on 16/01/2020 19:27:55

Chris Bott - Moderator16/01/2020 19:47:18
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Thanks Andy48. I hadn't spotted that change in 2.3.

On upgrading a Rx with a Horus, I don't believe an X12 has an S.Port socket?

It can be done from the module pins but then you need to take into account that the supply voltage on the module pins might be higher than the Rx will handle. As usual there's a new number of ways of doing these things.

My easiest option is to use the module pins in my old Taranis to do Rx upgrades.

Andy4816/01/2020 20:23:48
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Posted by Chris Bott - Moderator on 16/01/2020 19:47:18:

Thanks Andy48. I hadn't spotted that change in 2.3.

On upgrading a Rx with a Horus, I don't believe an X12 has an S.Port socket?

It can be done from the module pins but then you need to take into account that the supply voltage on the module pins might be higher than the Rx will handle. As usual there's a new number of ways of doing these things.

My easiest option is to use the module pins in my old Taranis to do Rx upgrades.

Sorry no the X12 doesn't have the Sport. I flogged my X12 and bought the X10S, very pleased I did!

The battery in the X12 is 9.6v, most, if not all the receivers will handle 10v. You could make sure the tx has not been recently charged and you should be OK.

Allan Bennett16/01/2020 20:40:24
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Thanks for the heads-up.

I never updated my old Futaba firmware for over 30 years. This is the kind of thing that's making me sometimes wish I hadn't moved over to Taranis. I don't see why I need the upgrade -- everything's working fine for me -- so I'm going to leave things as they are. The lack of how-to information with the announcement is unhelpful.

Edited By Allan Bennett on 16/01/2020 20:41:14

Frank Skilbeck16/01/2020 21:54:39
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This update is probably driven by this note this is a German Frsky forum so you may need your web browser to translate it. But basically some users had reported random servo movements and these guys managed to track it down and send the log files to Frsky.

Andy4816/01/2020 22:22:36
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Posted by Allan Bennett on 16/01/2020 20:40:24:

Thanks for the heads-up.

I never updated my old Futaba firmware for over 30 years.

Blimey, I'm surprised the valves are still working.

Allan Bennett17/01/2020 08:44:50
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Posted by Andy48 on 16/01/2020 22:22:36:
Posted by Allan Bennett on 16/01/2020 20:40:24:

Thanks for the heads-up.

I never updated my old Futaba firmware for over 30 years.

Blimey, I'm surprised the valves are still working.

laugh Keeps my hands warm in winter laugh

Martin_K17/01/2020 09:39:24
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Posted by Frank Skilbeck on 16/01/2020 21:54:39:

This update is probably driven by this note this is a German Frsky forum so you may need your web browser to translate it.

Tremendous piece of investigative work.

The connection with growing utilisation of the 2.4GHz band is also interesting as that will increase further if Wi-Fi is adopted as part of the Remote Identification implementation.

Andy Meade17/01/2020 09:49:25
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I'm surprised they decided to do anything with ACCESS just round the corner? As above, I'm not touching anything as yet.

Tim Ballinger17/01/2020 10:44:36
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Frank,

Thanks for the link. Would have posted the translation but it so long it would have covered 2 or more posts.

if I read it all correctly there are 2 issues. 1 . Very rarely a servo in 1 random channel may twitch almost imperceptibly

2 on even rarer occasions 1 servo would be free to rotate for about 0.9 s meaning it could achieve full deflection. Control is then returned to normal in both cases.

Upshot is it is a very unlikely event but could get more common so I ,like others, am not rushing in to change anything. Problem will be when buying new Rx’s when they they start being sold with the new firmware as they will not work without the upgrade.
They certainly kept this issue very quiet. Why one can only conjecture......

Tim

Tim Ballinger17/01/2020 10:56:30
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Seems like folks on RC Groups are equally cynical.

Tim

Andy Meade17/01/2020 12:29:01
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I'm not so sure about the "wont work without the upgrade" - I've recently flashed some brand new EULBT X8R's with an older RoW firmware, and they work just fine. Might become an issue when the ACCESS Rx's are released, however.

Tim Ballinger17/01/2020 12:54:21
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Andy,

I’m just reading this bit from the German report

Where benefits are known, there are also disadvantages. The modified encryption requires all receivers and transmitters/HF modules that a customer runs must receive an update at the same time.

If you don't do that, then only the recipients will work with the transmitter who got an update.

We certainly need more from Frsky but that’s the way I read it.

Tim

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