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Martian29/01/2020 12:09:07
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I know I'm stating the obvious but just in case be wary ordering any products from China until this Corona crisis is over you may want a long time for your goods

fly boy329/01/2020 12:33:48
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Good thinking Martian, and with HK apparently is disarray, you could well be right lol. Cheers

Barryorbik29/01/2020 12:53:05
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I received a plastic bagged package from Banggood today and it smelt of disinfectant, so maybe our customs or theirs are decomtaminating parcels too - just in case!!

Barry

Glyn4429/01/2020 14:36:24
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Got some today, microwaved the lot.

Dai Fledermaus30/01/2020 11:11:22
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Don't get too neurotic chaps, just consider the countless other products imported into this country every day from China which we come into contact with. You can't stick your new mobile or laptop in the microwave.

In any case, the products you've just diligently sanitised, were manufactured many months ago.

 

Edited By Dai Fledermaus on 30/01/2020 11:28:31

Don Fry30/01/2020 15:47:20
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Catch it, that's a 2.5% death rate, and a 25% seriously respiratory illness rate. The rate of increase in deaths Is currently on an exponential curve that could be serious looking, if it can't be tailed off.

And it's not about made date, but packed in its posting baggy date date, and this stuff is air freight. Just bear in mind we are mostly of the age range that filll the nasty number bits of the above figures.

Mind might be slowing on the deliveries. BA is doing no flying to China for a month. Others will follow suit.

Look on the bright side. You might be in China, poor souls. Frightening.

Nigel R30/01/2020 16:57:03
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Some numbers on related diseases for perspective;

Bird flu, 2013, 1622 cases, 619 deaths (38%)

SARS, 2003, 8098 cases, 774 deaths (9.5%)

Wuhan coronavirus, ongoing now, 8246 cases, 170 deaths (2%)

Engine Doctor30/01/2020 17:23:26
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I was told at our meeting last night that posties have been given disposable glove as they are handling packet from china .

I don't know what the life of a virus is on inert packaging but I have disinfected some bits just arrived from china with some Dettol wipes just in case

Don Fry30/01/2020 17:29:40
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Glass half empty, past illnesses, Spanish flu, a not dissimilar family of virus

50 million dead (estimate), but much nastier, estimated a IRO 10 to 15 per cent mortality.

It's all down to the ease this thing passes between victims. Chances are Nigel's number are good to an order of magnitude, or two. Other illnesses support his numbers.

but to quote those liars who sell investment opportunities, past performance is not a indication of future performance. We don't know yet.

Steve J30/01/2020 17:38:10
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Posted by Nigel R on 30/01/2020 16:57:03:

SARS, 2003, 8098 cases, 774 deaths (9.5%)

Wuhan coronavirus, ongoing now, 8246 cases, 170 deaths (2%)

I was working in Beijing during SARS. It was a bit farcical at times with people taking the temperature of your forehead multiple times a day.

The cases are doubtless underreported so the death rate will be less than 2%.

Ben B30/01/2020 19:25:37
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Agree- perhaps a bit early to panic. I work in a GP practice and lots of flapping about the risks but reality is that the number of confirmed cases may well be a significant under-estimate. We obviously can count deaths at this point but true number of cases is more dificult. So the death rate might well be significantly less than reported.

One of these days there will be cause for panic but not sure quite there yet. After all so far we've had Swine flu, Bird Flu, SARS. MERS ("Camel Flu", Zika... And yet I'm still hear letting patients sneeze all over me.

The only one that got my truly twitchy was Ebola but that one tends to resolve due to the high mortality rate.

We shoudn't be complacent and I probably won't be ordering quite so many goods from Banggood etc but it's difficult not to. Half the time when I buy stuff off Ebay despite saying it's UK based it's flipping drop-shipped!

Don Fry30/01/2020 19:33:16
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Glad you survived Steve. But be careful not to confuse a bureaucratic waving temperature probes, and sharpened pitchforks behind barricades. We will know in a week.

edit, and Ben B is spot on.

Edited By Don Fry on 30/01/2020 19:36:26

Andrew Calcutt30/01/2020 19:51:24
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Steer clear of chinese restaurants!

Andrew Calcutt30/01/2020 19:51:25
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Steer clear of chinese restaurants!

Don Fry30/01/2020 20:40:22
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Wish I had the option. But why.

Nigel R31/01/2020 08:15:50
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Posted by Don Fry on 30/01/2020 17:29:40:

Nigel's number

wikipediea's numbers, I am simply the messenger...

"Ebola"

Very short incubation time and little time for transmission, I believe? I watched the recent 'docu/drama' series about the US animal research facility outbreak (Hot Zone) which was enlightening and frightening in equal measures.

GONZO31/01/2020 10:48:40
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Being nearly 72.5 years old, an insulin dependant diabetic I'm more than interested in this latest bio threat. So, I've done some investigation. This is my take on this so far.

1/ It strongly appears that this virus strain is 'man made' (there is a patent on it) and manufactured for the purpose of investigating immunisation(so the story goes). It has been reported that it was being worked on in a bio lab in Wuhan.

2/ It has a long latency; you can be infected but show no symptoms for up to 14 days in which time you are infectious to others. This makes the spread easy and containment difficult. The mortality rate, as currently reported(?) is on the low side. But, seemingly people remain sick for some time after the initial recovery.

3/ Corona virus easily mutate and this has seemingly already gone through an atypical mutation. With the spread into a large number of people the potential for mixing with a large number of other genes and mutating is increasing exponentially.

I think the extreme measures we see being taken(well in excess of SARS and MERS) indicates the concern that this virus could mutate into something that retains the long latency but has a higher mortality rate. Whatever the biological effects/human effects if this continues or possibly gets worse there is the economic(national and world) implications to be considered.

GONZO31/01/2020 10:57:16
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I see 'RT' are reporting two confirmed cases in the UK.

Don Fry31/01/2020 12:51:09
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Patent number Gonzo?

john stones 131/01/2020 13:11:26
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