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SIMON CRAGG07/02/2020 09:30:44
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We are in the process of obtaining a stand alone web cam for use at our remote flying site.

Apart from security, members will be able to log in via an app on their smart phone, to see what the conditions are like, and if anybody else is at the patch. Especially useful for our learners to see if an instructo is about to help etc. Has anybody else got one of these on site? Is there anything to be aware of?. I have contacted the BMFA to establsh if there are any privacy issues etc. Cost about £300 total.

FlyinBrian08/02/2020 11:12:12
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The main problem will be to stop it getting nicked or vandalised.

Engine Doctor08/02/2020 11:29:20
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Posted by FlyinBrian on 08/02/2020 11:12:12:

The main problem will be to stop it getting nicked or vandalised.

Agreed our site has had problems with stuff being nicked , shot with airguns or just smashed up . A great tool if you can disguise its location from local yobs . What is the power source etc that you are going to use ?

Fun Flyer08/02/2020 14:08:35
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Ours is just about to be installed.
Its concealed in a small nest box and the plan is to power it from a truck battery supported by a solar panel.
It takes a picture at a predefined interval, currently ten minutes, and uploads it to a website. It also displays the current voltage, temperature and humidity.

Bucksboy08/02/2020 15:09:37
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We've had one for years, its main use is to allow others to see who is at the field. It does take snaps of the occasional yob who finds our field but you'd have to know the individual to recognise someone though.

We have seen people up there and the nearest member has scrambled out there to scare them off, they've normally gone by the time he gets there.

We did run off ours from a small solar panel glued to the roof, this worked fine until the yobs climbed on the roof and smashed it. We now rely on a bigger panel that is carried out and back in each time a member is at the field. Admittedly we lose all the sunlight from windy days but we're not prepared to give the yobs another chance.

The panel is linked to a regulator and then two large leisure batteries. This runs the mobile phone web cam and the hut lights. These are LED and movement activated as members kept leaving lights on and running the batteries flat.

The old mobile phone looks out through a very small hole in the corner of the hut looking out over the pits and car park, it's linked to our club web site so anyone can view it (suspicious wives, everyone! ) It updates every few minutes during the day.

All in all I think it's seen as a positive addition and well worth the initial teething problems.

MAD Dave08/02/2020 18:38:48
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FAO Fun Flyer, sounds like you have an ideal set up. I would be most grateful if you could let us know what set up and hardware you employ etc.

Many thanks.

Romeo Whisky09/02/2020 11:36:53
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Sorry to be a wet blanket - but presumably you do know that this has implications for GDPR (Data Protection Law)?

If you take photos of identifiable people in this way you must have a prominent notice to say "CCTV in Operation on this site", which rather negates the benefits of hiding the camera, and could be interpreted to indicate that there are potentially items worth stealing if protected by CCTV.

You could get the consent of members to allow this, but it would not cover visitors, or even intruders on to the site.

We plan to focus a camera purely on the windsock which is only up when members are on site, but would also indicate if there was fog or mist even if no-one is present.

Edited By Romeo Whisky on 09/02/2020 11:38:44

PatMc09/02/2020 13:12:23
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Posted by Romeo Whisky on 09/02/2020 11:36:53:

Sorry to be a wet blanket - but presumably you do know that this has implications for GDPR (Data Protection Law)?

If you take photos of identifiable people in this way you must have a prominent notice to say "CCTV in Operation on this site", which rather negates the benefits of hiding the camera, and could be interpreted to indicate that there are potentially items worth stealing if protected by CCTV.

You could get the consent of members to allow this, but it would not cover visitors, or even intruders on to the site.

We plan to focus a camera purely on the windsock which is only up when members are on site, but would also indicate if there was fog or mist even if no-one is present.

Edited By Romeo Whisky on 09/02/2020 11:38:44

Do the same regulations apply if the camera only relays live images with no recording is being made ?

Romeo Whisky09/02/2020 14:38:25
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Posted above by PatMc

" Do the same regulations apply if the camera only relays live images with no recording is being made ? "

I think you'll find that the problem is capturing personal data (in this case an image) without the subject's knowledge and consent and relaying it anywhere where it can be viewed by a third party. You would not be able to control whether the third party records it or not in any case. But don't rely on my opinion - if you Google "GDPR" and check out the rules re CCTV on the Data Protection website you'll get the full facts.

stu knowles09/02/2020 15:11:17
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Many people have cctv attached to their houses and care not one jot about GDPR. Its private property.

Shaun Walsh09/02/2020 15:16:59
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Posted by stu knowles on 09/02/2020 15:11:17:

Many people have cctv attached to their houses and care not one jot about GDPR. Its private property.

Domestic cctv covering just your property is exempt from the provisions of the GDPR.

Edited By Shaun Walsh on 09/02/2020 15:17:22

BackinBlack09/02/2020 15:59:08
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Different rules for Organisations and Individuals. As an individual you can mount use and record CCTV almost anywhere you like, providing there is no invasion of private space not belonging to you, e.g. don't point it at you neighbours bedroom windows.

There are rules for organisations regading how long you may keep recordings etc and who may view them. An assessment of need and a policy for use have to be in place. For monitoring the private space ( and even Public space outwith) of a Clubs facilities, the use of CCTV and remote monitoring should be of little concern to the GDPR police. If there are real concerns, then a couple of paragraphs added to the Club Constitution/Rules would suffice to allay the fears of those who insist on being "legal".

PatMc09/02/2020 16:03:37
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Posted by Romeo Whisky on 09/02/2020 14:38:25:

Posted above by PatMc

" Do the same regulations apply if the camera only relays live images with no recording is being made ? "

I think you'll find that the problem is capturing personal data (in this case an image) without the subject's knowledge and consent and relaying it anywhere where it can be viewed by a third party. You would not be able to control whether the third party records it or not in any case. But don't rely on my opinion - if you Google "GDPR" and check out the rules re CCTV on the Data Protection website you'll get the full facts.

I take your point, RW, but if the webcam only relayed still images taken at intervals, as many do, I think that would serve the purposes of the club(s) & probably not infringe the regulations.

Fun Flyer08/03/2020 14:32:36
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Posted by MAD Dave on 08/02/2020 18:38:48:

FAO Fun Flyer, sounds like you have an ideal set up. I would be most grateful if you could let us know what set up and hardware you employ etc.

Hi MAD Dave. Sorry for the slow reply but, as you probably know, real life has a habit of sometimes taking over.

The rig was thought up by my son, I just do the woodwork, so I don't have a lot of technical detail.

Briefly, its made up of a camera, a Rasberry Pi and the guts of a mobile phone which takes the SIM card.
Its all housed in one of these weatherproof boxes from Homebase.

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Then its fitted inside what is supposed to look like a nesting box.

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Thats the camera on the bottom in the middle.
Then a ply sheet is fitted to the front to complete the disguise.

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Then paint the whole thing matt black to make it look as unattractive and inconspicous as possible.

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It all seems to work fine. I haven't installed it on our field yet as like everyone else I'm waiting for the weather to improve.

Edited By Fun Flyer on 08/03/2020 14:36:15

Gary Manuel08/03/2020 14:55:15
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Lovely job that FF thumbs up.

Let's hope you don't get nesting birds in there or you could finish up with Raspberry Pi and Egg custard.

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