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Cuban825/02/2020 12:33:20
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The Brian Taylor Spit is a real peach. Not at all tricky to fly for someone with reasonable low wing experience.......but......do watch the weight at the backend and for clubman type flying rake the wheels forward to help with the old nose over problems. A hell of a build that almost drove me nuts in some places but IMHO the best Spitfire of that type and size that there is.

The Nijhuis Spit is good, a couple of mates have them, but they are prone to becoming porky if the wood is badly chosen and it's easy to get the fuz profile wrong (very subtle curves) with all the carving and sanding needed and then glassed. 20 pounds not being uncommon against 14 lbs for my BT version which is a good few pounds over the designer's original prototype - flown on an old style .60 two stroke IIRC.

LHR Dave25/02/2020 13:12:26
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It would be interesting to see how the spit fits together, but dont do it on my account ! If you do perhaps you can post a pic !

Jon - Laser Engines25/02/2020 14:32:04
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Cuban, i am not a massive fan of the Brian Taylor models myself. To be clear, they fly very well and look fantastic but they are also difficult to build, very outdated in their design, and often too fragile for club use. That isnt to say they arent an option, just that they tend to be quite a faff to sort out.

As for the TN spit, i agree. They end up very heavy unless special care is taken.

Dave, i will see if i can dig it out later. If its too much hassle i wont bother but i will see how it all looks.

Brian Cooper25/02/2020 18:51:48
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Posted by Piers Bowlan on 25/02/2020 11:56:31:

I have a Kyosho Spitfire 90 kit not assembled as yet. What Laser engine would suit best? I have an 80, would that be enough or would a 100 or 155 be better (as Jon didn't recommend the 120)? I have an ASP 120 too, so would that be a good option?

Edited By Piers Bowlan on 25/02/2020 11:57:04

Yes, the ASP 120FS will be the engine of choice. . A 155 would be even better.

An .80 would be far too little power for this model.

B.C.

Jon - Laser Engines25/02/2020 19:11:01
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Ok i had a quick look at the spit and while the parts lock together well they are not in the least bit straight. In fairness, they are pretty good, but not good enough to fly with and i suspect trying to manipulate them without having them nailed down would be very hard.

I have checked a few pictures of half built fuselages and looked at my plans. I think i will go with my original plan A and cut all the formers in half. I will then pin the horizonal keels down to the board, adjust as needed to make them match the formers, and then glue it all together. I think i will do the top first and then flip it over.

I dont think there is anything that would stop be building it that way but i will double check before i start building.

Jon - Laser Engines26/02/2020 08:21:51
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Change of plans...

As i was putting all the bits away i looked at it all again and i now think im going to build it the other way up. I will still cut the formers in half, but this time i will build it upside down like my pica models as this allows me to install the large ply crutches that hold the engine and wing. This will make sure the fuselage remains straight when i remove it from the board.

Now to stop thinking about it before it ends up on the building table.

Chris Freeman 326/02/2020 08:55:13
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The Fokkerc Spitfire is a serious build, I was given a kit by a modeller who had no idea how to build it once he got the kit. I framed up the basic fuselage to see how it all fits and to be fair it went together better than expected. The hard part is now to jig it so that it can be planked. I did not progress further and hope to get back to it at some stage when time allows as this needs dedication to get it right. The parts are almost like a ply 3 view with a lot of detail eteched into them.

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LHR Dave26/02/2020 10:04:44
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Cheers for the info Jon, I still think i will go with DB, but will keep a watch out for yours or any other builds of Fokkerc spits and then maybe will I get one as well in the future.

Regards Dave

Jon - Laser Engines26/02/2020 12:30:45
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Posted by Chris Freeman 3 on 26/02/2020 08:55:13:

I framed up the basic fuselage to see how it all fits and to be fair it went together better than expected. The hard part is now to jig it so that it can be planked.

These are my thoughts on it as well, and to be honest the DB Spit had the same problem. You end up trying to sheet something that is floating in mid air with no way to keep it all straight. Thats why i intend to pin mine to the board. Once the fuselage bottom half is finished and sheeted i can remove it from the board as a rigid item. I can then build the top onto it without worrying about it bending all over the place.

On the DB i will not be messing about with the diagonal sheeting they show. It looks like a road to disaster to me and i really cant see the reason for it. I suspect i will glue a sheet to the tail mounts, and then clamp it to the fuselage frames. Once its all looking nice and straight i can glue that sheet in place and that should give the fuselage enough rigidity to tolerate the rest of the sheeting being applied.

Guvnor26/02/2020 14:38:04
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Posted by Jon - Laser Engines on 25/02/2020 14:32:04:

Cuban, i am not a massive fan of the Brian Taylor models myself. To be clear, they fly very well and look fantastic but they are also difficult to build, very outdated in their design, and often too fragile for club use. That isnt to say they arent an option, just that they tend to be quite a faff to sort out.

As for the TN spit, i agree. They end up very heavy unless special care is taken.

Dave, i will see if i can dig it out later. If its too much hassle i wont bother but i will see how it all looks.

Why is it 'Outdated'? It really isn't difficult to build at all for the modeller with the experience it is aimed at. And what's a 'club' model?

Nigel R26/02/2020 15:12:01
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Posted by Guvnor on 26/02/2020 14:38:04:

Why is it 'Outdated'? It really isn't difficult to build at all for the modeller with the experience it is aimed at. And what's a 'club' model?

solid wood, heavy, can be used to incapacitate the unsuspecting wink

Jon - Laser Engines26/02/2020 15:36:08
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The whole construction is of an older style. Making bits out of tin plate and brass tube, all sorts of wire bending and even simple things like the position of servos, use of bellcranks etc.

As for its target audience i consider myself quite proficient in kit building and i wouldnt touch one for the reasons i have already mentioned. I could do all the complicated bits, but why bother? If another model is out there that is easier to build and achieves the same end why make life hard? Admittedly i would not be trying to win a scale champs with it, but i dont think the rest of the guys here are either so if your argument it based upon it being aimed at championship pilots then my comments about its unsuitability still stand.

As for the rest, If its not flying at championships then it becomes a club model and so will fly all day every day from a lumpy grass field. This is the opposite of a championship model which will fly once in a blue moon off a hard runway. Naturally, our club model will see more abuse and Brian Taylor models are often not well suited to this sort of treatment due to their light construction.

Guvnor26/02/2020 15:50:45
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Posted by Jon - Laser Engines on 26/02/2020 15:36:08:

The whole construction is of an older style. Making bits out of tin plate and brass tube, all sorts of wire bending and even simple things like the position of servos, use of bellcranks etc.

Words fail me... That's exactly what makes it such a pleasure to build...

Cuban826/02/2020 16:49:59
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I know what Jon is saying about BT 's designs, but given that they're not aimed at the inexperienced builder, it's not a problem to make some sensible mods that will make life easier.

Jon - Laser Engines26/02/2020 16:56:08
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Posted by Guvnor on 26/02/2020 15:50:45:
Posted by Jon - Laser Engines on 26/02/2020 15:36:08:

The whole construction is of an older style. Making bits out of tin plate and brass tube, all sorts of wire bending and even simple things like the position of servos, use of bellcranks etc.

Words fail me... That's exactly what makes it such a pleasure to build...

Ah yes but you have muddled up objectivity a subjectivity. Objectively they are a faff to build, fragile, and out of date when compared to other kits. This may be be enjoyable from an subjective point of view, but i do not agree and believe there are objectively better models out there for the purposes of our OP.

The OP originally asked about the DB and TN kits, and i raised the fokkerc kit as it was likely our OP had never heard of them. Given that BT kits are well known, and were not mentioned in the OP, and are more of a faff than the DB or TN offerings i didnt mention them as i assumed they had been considered and rejected.

In short, i tried to understand what it was the OP was looking for, and make recommendations that were suited to his needs and not mine. I think this was more helpful than joining a thread 2 weeks in just to be pretentious and condescending

Guvnor26/02/2020 17:03:01
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Posted by Jon - Laser Engines on 26/02/2020 16:56:08:
Posted by Guvnor on 26/02/2020 15:50:45:
Posted by Jon - Laser Engines on 26/02/2020 15:36:08:

The whole construction is of an older style. Making bits out of tin plate and brass tube, all sorts of wire bending and even simple things like the position of servos, use of bellcranks etc.

Words fail me... That's exactly what makes it such a pleasure to build...

Ah yes but you have muddled up objectivity a subjectivity. Objectively they are a faff to build, fragile, and out of date when compared to other kits. This may be be enjoyable from an subjective point of view, but i do not agree and believe there are objectively better models out there for the purposes of our OP.

The OP originally asked about the DB and TN kits, and i raised the fokkerc kit as it was likely our OP had never heard of them. Given that BT kits are well known, and were not mentioned in the OP, and are more of a faff than the DB or TN offerings i didnt mention them as i assumed they had been considered and rejected.

In short, i tried to understand what it was the OP was looking for, and make recommendations that were suited to his needs and not mine. I think this was more helpful than joining a thread 2 weeks in just to be pretentious and condescending

What an unpleasant post.

Unfortunately I don't have time to read every post here every day, so yes, I'm late to the party, as if that matters.

As for being pretentious and condescending, I suggest you re-read your own post...

Jon - Laser Engines26/02/2020 17:25:40
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You dont have time to read every post...Ok cool, so why didnt comment on the first post? You ignored the question and cherry picked a post from the middle of the thread in your reply. To find that middle of the thread post you must have read them all as the first/last one is much easier to find if you only dipped in to the thread. Surely if that were the case you would comment on that and not something random from the middle? It seems strange that your first forum post in nearly 3 months would happen to be in reply to that short, middle of thread comment of mine.

To me, it looks as though you read it all, contributed nothing, and only posted as a presented view conflicted with your own. You post was also written so as to belittle those who either arent able, or arent interested in a design that complex and did nothing to aid in the conversation.

Had you said something like 'While BT kits are a great deal of work i really enjoy the challenge and find all the metalworking really satisfying. If however you want something simple then they arent for you' Then there would have been no problem.

Guvnor26/02/2020 17:43:43
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I posted a very simple post, politely asking two questions, and making a simple comment about BT's models.

I had read evey post on this thread, YOU introduced the Fokker model, someone else mentioned the BT models.

YOU then rammed YOUR opinion down everyones throat.

Like I said, re-read your own posts occasionally...

Jon - Laser Engines26/02/2020 18:58:07
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Posted by Guvnor on 26/02/2020 17:43:43:

I posted a very simple post, politely asking two questions, and making a simple comment about BT's models.

I had read evey post on this thread, YOU introduced the Fokker model, someone else mentioned the BT models.

YOU then rammed YOUR opinion down everyones throat.

Like I said, re-read your own posts occasionally...

Steady, you said you hadnt read them all to begin with. Bit of a continuity error there. And our definitions of polite clearly differ. Your post was pointed at the very least.

Yes, i did introduce the fokkerc model...which is what i already said, and explained why so i dont see how that makes any difference to anything.

As for BT Spits, perhaps you should read my post again. I commented on their pro's and con's, just like i did with the other models and yet you dont seem to be complaining about my issues with the TN spitfire often ending up a porker, or the potential balance, sheeting and washout issues with the DB and so on.

Given that i offered a balanced appraisal of each kit..like i was asked to by the OP, i dont see that i have shoved anything anywhere and given that your outrage at my comments is only connected to what i have said about one of the 4 or 5 options mentioned i can only assume you have some sort of personal agenda on this matter.

Given that, the contradictions in your last post and the fact that Dave has already chosen the DB model i dont really see much point in discussing the options and will focus instead on the DB kit itself.

Its been fun though, thanks very much for playing.

LHR Dave27/02/2020 07:35:25
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Just caught up with the thread as only really get a chance once at work (Ha Ha). I would like to thank everyone for there advice especially Jon you provided me with some excellent info and much to think about. I may not be intune as some modellers with knowledge/ skills but I always get provided with top info from you guys.

Cheers

Dave

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