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Peter Christy07/03/2020 18:13:12
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Just spotted this: **LINK**

This is likely to have a profound impact on the drone registration schemes. Whilst I doubt if model flying will be at the top of the minster's list of priorities, it would mean that there might be a chance to distinguish between autonomous or semi-autonomous (FPV) aircraft and conventional models.

Things could be getting interesting!

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Pete

Colin Carpenter07/03/2020 18:20:05
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You couldn't make it up !😂😂😂😂 Colin

Steve J07/03/2020 18:21:17
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I doubt if it will have any significant effect on the regulation of SUA aircraft in the UK.

It's been odds on that we were leaving EASA for ages.

CAA Brexit page.

Edited By Steve J on 07/03/2020 18:27:52

Peter Jenkins07/03/2020 18:56:18
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Like Steve, I don't see any major differences in the UK's legislation. What is interesting is that the UK (CAA staff) have played a major role in EASA and EASA may struggle to replace this knowledge but a great opportunity for the Germans and the French as no other EU nations will have the Aeronautical pedigree.

Erfolg08/03/2020 14:59:35
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I expect  what is potentially happening here is that the UK, will continue to play a part within EASA, although on different basis. That basis is that UK is an Independent country/state, that participates on the basis of its sovereignty, not bound by EU, laws, regulations or courts.

I doubt that anything earth shattering will immediately happen, that is different to the general path we appear to be following.

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Edited By Erfolg on 08/03/2020 15:00:53

i12fly08/03/2020 16:40:38
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Could be a negotiating point.

Maybe it is a weakness for Europe and not UK.

Whatever, the rules will need to be aligned to operate fullsize in both areas

Erfolg08/03/2020 17:46:28
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Hmm, not sure it is about Negotiating.

I ask my self this type of question, would the EU be bound by a UK court, follow UK regulations. Or perhaps more significantly, would the EU be bound by USA laws, regulations. Or would either party treat each other as sovereign countries, with the right to sign up, or withdraw from any relationship.

In the case of the EASA, it is in the interest of all European countries to find and agree a common set of agreements. It essence it should not matter if they are in the EU, or like Switzerland, Iceland, Norway, Finland, there is common interest in finding common ground as sovereign states.

We have now probably seen the high water mark for the EU. Just like the Hansa League, the British or the Swedish Empires, new relationships will be forged.

Edited By Erfolg on 08/03/2020 17:46:51

FilmBuff08/03/2020 18:05:05
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Blue Passports and exit from EASA. It's all been worth it!

john stones 108/03/2020 18:07:03
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If the U.K makes an agreement with another Country and is "Bound" by legalities and honouring it's word, would it cease to be a "Sovereign" state ?

Erfolg08/03/2020 18:27:44
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John, it appears that most if not all Independent countries entering into agreements insert a clause that they can withdraw from the agreement. There may be agreed procedures for Independent and agreed processes to take disputes to for adjudication, yet at the end of the day, they can withdraw.

Of course I am not a lawyer, and I am sure there will be many adjuncts and caveats to the concepts that the media publishes.

The only aspect i have reasonable believe in, are that the EU likes things as they are with respect to the UK.

Yet at the end of the day, I expect that the EASA proposals will come to be how all parts of Europe, airspace is regulated.

john stones 108/03/2020 18:34:51
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Ah avoid the question, did we cease to be Sovereign when we signed the many, many agreements Worldwide ?

The answer is simple. NO.

Don Fry08/03/2020 19:50:30
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Trouble is, for all those pontificating on the demise of the EU, when your airliner gets a halfwayy across Le Manche , English Chanel, after 31/12/20, , EASA tells you what happens next. Agree, or don't fly.

Steve J08/03/2020 20:05:16
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Posted by Don Fry on 08/03/2020 19:50:30:

EASA tells you what happens next. Agree, or don't fly.

Not true. EASA doesn't negotiate aviation transport agreements and all (most?) European countries are signatories of a treaty, the name of which I can't be bothered to look up, covering overflights.

The UK and the EU27 will negotiation two aviation agreements this year. One covering traffic rights (ICAO freedoms), ownership etc and one covering aviation safety.

john stones 108/03/2020 20:18:56
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Sign agreements ? there goes us sovereignty then, vassalage it is then.

No one mention the Geneva convention or the Paris accord, Erf will have kittens.

Don Fry08/03/2020 20:22:45
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Steve, what does EASA do then. Curious.

Steve J08/03/2020 20:26:19
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Aviation safety. The clue is in the name .

Erfolg08/03/2020 20:36:10
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John, I am not sure what the point is you are making. If you are suggesting that as a part of the EU, that the UK was a sovereign state, I think the answer was no, or not really. The reason being, it had to adhere to dik tat from Brussels and that the UK Houses of parliament in many areas was subservient to both Brussels and laws as determined by the EU.

With respect to the situation as possibly developing with respect to EASA, I suspect that the UK Government is insuring that the Westminster Government is in a position to determine what it agrees to, rather than falling in line with whatever the EU decides, is the correct or being in a position to not agreeing and with drawing. Non agreements rarely happen, although it will increase the pressure to take the UK seriously.

Irrespective if being a remainer or a leaver, it is in the UKs interest to determine what is in its interest, rather than any other entity deciding what the UK can do, that does not conflict with its interest.

In short I can see the logic in the UK Government withdrawing from the present arrangement, to rejoin as an inde pendant sovereign state. But EASA as we know it is here to stay.

Don Fry08/03/2020 20:41:59
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Cheers Steve. I will assume therefore, that the UK Government will dictate the outcome of those agreements. Do you fly without them? Still curious.

john stones 108/03/2020 20:44:51
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I asked you a question, you where the one trying to make a point, and one that holds no truth.

We are signed up to many Worldwide agreements, does this mean we've lost our Sovereignty ?

A clue, the answer is No.

Steve J08/03/2020 20:55:37
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Posted by Don Fry on 08/03/2020 20:41:59:

I will assume therefore, that the UK Government will dictate the outcome of those agreements.

The EU and UK will negotiate the agreements. See the published negotiating documents from the UK and EU.

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