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Peter Jenkins13/03/2020 00:06:09
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Thank goodness the weather will be good enough to fly tomorrow. This cabin fever is getting to me - and a lot of others by the look of it!

Tony Richardson13/03/2020 01:51:59
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Me thinks you be wright Peter Jenkins. devil

Toni Reynaud13/03/2020 07:04:25
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Full agreement on the "Proof-read before posting" comment. So many paragraph breaks where they are not needed, commas sprinkled in where they are not needed, your instead of you're, there instead of their - makes things difficult to read if they don't flow nicely.

Alex Ferguson 213/03/2020 08:25:45
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Try this -

"Strictly English : the correct way to write and why it matters" by Simon Heffer, pub Random House, 2010, 322 pages, ISBN: 9781847946300.

Like it is really good, like.....angry

Nigel R13/03/2020 09:14:47
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Posted by Jason-I on 12/03/2020 21:23:01:
Posted by Nigel R on 12/03/2020 21:19:28:

You should try being part of an american owned large company.

Managers aren't managers, they are people leaders...

We all have to socialise our ideas (!) amongst other oxymorons.

I could go on.

So long as you give it 110% you'll be good.

These days I find 200% is a better target to aim at, 110% is a bit last century.

As I work an agile process, we are always sprinting.

I note few people ever seem to point out the impossibility of "always sprinting". Apparently, the more realistic "cruising at a sustainable pace" is not a sufficiently motivating expression.

Peter Christy13/03/2020 09:46:04
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Don't forget "management speak", either! I used to work in a place where memos about "leveraging extensible platforms" for the purpose of "utilizing turn-key systems" were all part of "aggregating e-business functionalities"!

We were constantly being exhorted to "harness vertical paradigms" in order that we might "engage virtual functionalities", as well as "iterate frictionless portals" - not to mention "recontextualize distributed applications".

Gus Hedges would have been proud!

laugh

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Pete

Andy Stephenson13/03/2020 09:55:22
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The misuse of "then" where "than" is required is an Americanism which is creeping in over here in the UK. I assumed it was because spoken in an American accent they can't tell the difference, so why here as well.

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jrman13/03/2020 10:00:35
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What about "could of" instead of "could have" ?devilsecret

gliggsy13/03/2020 10:00:50
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I could of told most of you that this would happen!

Jason-I13/03/2020 10:01:29
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Posted by Nigel R on 13/03/2020 09:14:47:

These days I find 200% is a better target to aim at, 110% is a bit last century.

As I work an agile process, we are always sprinting.

I note few people ever seem to point out the impossibility of "always sprinting". Apparently, the more realistic "cruising at a sustainable pace" is not a sufficiently motivating expression.

Careful, you're in danger of thinking outside the box with that bleeding edge corporate synergy......

FlyinBrian13/03/2020 11:55:56
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A couple that irritate me....

"Little baby" - are they all not little?

"Return back", - surely return on its own is adequate

spudsy13/03/2020 12:38:28
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At this point in time,=now

Bruce Collinson13/03/2020 13:29:33
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Not been funny or anything, but basically, when all's said and done. at the end of the day, taking one side with the other, there's evolution of the language and simple gross abuse, know what I mean? Friends and Neighbours speak, OMG, like so totally, rising interrogative et al; if the yoof is gonna get its culture off a da tv an da texting, what on earth did we think was going to happen?

Schools blame parents, who permit adolescents to learn communication skills from anti-social media sites populated by insecure narcissists (on reflection) and it's easier to stick an i-Thing in front of a child than to read it a bedtime story.

Res ipsa loquitur.

BTC

Eric Robson13/03/2020 14:27:30
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Posted by john stones 1 on 12/03/2020 21:48:51:

Not read Chaucer, nor Shakespeare, read Izaac Waltons The Compleat Angler, tough going.

So what you read ?

Stephen Ericksons my favourite just now. **LINK**

Shikspeare wuz a brummie yu now.

john stones 113/03/2020 16:11:19
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Not that bothered by someone grammar myself, just find some of the new phrases irritating, is it these Influencers wots doing it ?

3rd book due out by Hilary Mantel in her Cromwell Trilogy, there's a lady who's good with words.

David Davis13/03/2020 16:35:10
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My beef is with the BBC pronunciation of kiLOmetres. We don't talk of centImetresor millImetres, it's kilometres!

Airhead13/03/2020 16:52:45
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David Davis,

There are many examples like your kiLOmetres. COMpact discs for instance, are American… in England we should have comPACT (meaning small) discs. It’s called putting the emPHAsis on the wrong sylLABle.

Among many other expressions that grate and/or mean nothing, at work there is a common expression (generally among managers); “Going forward…” Well, time being what it is, we can’t go back – unless Doctor Who is real. I believe the expression should be, “In future…”

My teeth also grind when I’m requested to send or forward something “to myself” Aargh… have these people never heard of the word “me”? Only I can send something to myself. YOU can’t send something to myself, only to ME!

How many people don’t know the difference between “too” and “to”? I remember in one no-longer-with-us modelling magazine an article titled, “How Too Land” with the heading emblazoned in inch - or two - tall letters across the page. You may be surprised to know that the article was written by the editor, no less. You’d think an editor of a national magazine would know the difference between “to” and “too” wouldn’t you? – I think I knew the difference before I started school!

Americans are an easy target when it comes to expressions – so let’s have a go… Have you noticed that they often get a noun, turn it into an adjective and then convert it back to another (incorrect) noun? The example I often quote is a guy on TV describing one of his fellow soldiers and relating that the chap exhibited “great courageousness”! Eh? Whut? You had a noun – ‘courage’, made an adjective from it – ‘courageous’ – no probs… but then, if you need your noun again, it’s still there. You don’t have to create a new one! I’ve heard many of these re-nouns, “skilfulness” instead of “skill” and many others. Insidiously, these will creep into the wider world if we’re not vigilant. Keep a lookout for this sort of thing, you’ll soon spot plenty of examples and soon after you’ll find yourself yelling at the telly. Like I do.

I'm running out of space so I'll finish this rant in another post...

Airhead13/03/2020 16:53:04
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Our transatlantic cousins are, also (I believe) the origin of ‘verbing nouns’ (itself a case of verbing, – where a noun is used as a verb), the classic example being “access”. You cannot “access” something. You can grant or gain access to something but “access” is a noun, not a verb. (To make it clearer,“access” means “admission”. You cannot admission something, but you CAN grant admission or gain admission.)

You may have noticed that I’ve invented a new noun; the word “re-noun”. Well, it doesn’t stop there. I’ve verbed it too… “Re-nouning” is the new black!

How about the ubiquitous use of “laying” instead of “lying”. You don’t have stuff laying around, you have it lying around. Don’t tell your dog to “lay down”, tell it to “lie down”. Yesterday it lay down but today it lies down or is lying down. You can lay the table or lay your gun on the ground. If you’re a chicken you can lay an egg, but once that process is finished the egg is lying in the straw, not laying there.

FlyinBrian, in defence of people who use the expression “little baby” (you say, “are they all not little” by which I guess you mean, “are they not all little?" well, babies DO come in various sizes and I’m sure you have at some stage called someone – or been called – “a big baby”. “Big babies” is an accusation that will probably be levelled at those of us in this thread by those who don’t care about the English language.

Punctuation is a bone of contention. Legal papers are written without any because the insertion or omission of a comma for instance can change the entire meaning of a sentence. For instance, the book title mentioned above, “Have you eaten Grandma?” has a completely different meaning to “Have you eaten, Grandma?”

People, even English teachers, say that punctuation, spelling and grammar don’t matter so long as the writer is understood, but isn’t it easier to correctly understand someone who punctuates and spells correctly and who uses correct grammar?

Oh... And while I’m about it, the expression is not, “Each to his own”…, it should be, “To each, his own”. “Each to his own” just doesn’t make any sense.

I’d better stop now or I’ll be here all night…

 

Edited By Airhead on 13/03/2020 16:57:26

john stones 113/03/2020 17:03:49
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Nope shan't be calling you a big baby, because you care about the English language.

Shan't be calling others who don't fly as well as some, nor those who didn't go to Uni thick.

Shan't be calling those who build less well than others, etc etc.

Can the egg be lying on the straw ?

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