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Martin Arnold 127/05/2020 13:44:18
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Have just renewed my subs to RCM&E and had my first copy June 2020.

What has happened to all the mid size ARTF models, it seems that they are very hard to find these days, on browsing the ads and editorials in the mag everything is either a foamy, a kit or a plan built model. Even online the shops list loads of artf kits, but most are out of stock.

Even a standard size Ripmax Wot 4 artf is not easily available !!

Am I missing something ?

Nigel R27/05/2020 13:51:11
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In order (and just my conjecture) cheap labour gets less cheap, retail prices go up, less punters buying, market contracts.

Foamies, kits and plans don't have the labour problem.

Paul Marsh27/05/2020 14:06:19
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The Corona Virus hasn't helped, but over the last 2 years, even ARTF's have been lacking, though the weak pound and rising prices has seen demand drop, so therefore less retailers are buying stock in if they know it won't sell.

Barrie Lever27/05/2020 14:14:24
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Maybe the Chinese are loosing interest in making ARTF's like they did with making ASP/SC engines.

B.

Nigel R27/05/2020 14:19:51
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I think it's simply become less financially viable. Whichever way you slice it, a wood ARTF has a lot of touch time involved in the manufacturing.

The foamies are still being pumped out.

Mr Chinnery27/05/2020 18:08:56
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It looks to me that if you want a wooden plane these days you're better off building good old trad' British kits.

Chris Foss's build it yourself range are a delight, and Cloud/Galaxy Models remain a great budget choice, tough as old boots - to name just two manufacturers - and if you hack your way through the undergrowth of the Internet you can find several more established UK manufacturers, all selling brilliant reliable models

And to grind a favourite axe of mine - most of the trad' U.K. manufacturers products will not leave their u/c behind on the strip the first time they make a less than perfect landing like any artf offering produced in the Far East, designed for the smooth paved runways of the U.S. Market. ( Had 1 foamy AcroWot & 3 artf Wot 4s of different sizes over the years and ALL lost their U/Cs more than once - my first Wot 4 , wot I builded myself, kept its wire and wheels u/c in situ from birth to it's dumb thumbed total destruction 3 hard flown years later! And the same has occurred with 2 or 3 other Far Eastern jobs too, but never had a similar problem with any I built myself, or any properly built by someone else from a Bring and Buy.

Rant Over.

kc27/05/2020 18:42:57
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If you need a wood ready built plane then ask around at your club, especially if you want ic power as lots of people are getting rid of ic models now. People are getting older and giving up unfortunately and models last longer with reliable radios now, so many people sell their old models to make space for new. You may have to pay a fair price for a good model but it may be complete with servos etc which makes it worthwhile.

Paul Marsh28/05/2020 10:49:21
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This year, there will be even less models available. If it ever recovers, we'll see, but the days of a cheap ARTFs, in abundance, are gone...

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Edited By Paul Marsh on 28/05/2020 10:51:51

MattyB28/05/2020 11:38:03
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Posted by Paul Marsh on 28/05/2020 10:49:21:

This year, there will be even less models available. If it ever recovers, we'll see, but the days of a cheap ARTFs, in abundance, are gone...

Agreed. Unfortunately I believe we are coming to an inflection point where participation in the traditional (i.e. fixed wing, LOS) hobby will rapidly diminish due to a perfect storm of aging participants, Coronavirus restrictions, ever increasing red tape from EASA/CAA and years of future financial hardship paying for the Coronavirus response. I would not be surprised if membership of the major associations had halved within 5 years; certainly it is going to get harder and more expensive to run our clubs, and lower participation numbers means higher prices for our models and gear. It doesn't look good...

Chris Walby28/05/2020 12:25:14
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Perhaps not as good as the "Glory" days, but then I have only been in the hobby 5 years and there appears to be Seagull, VQ and Blackhorse still making balsa ARTF's to choose from so plenty to work through until having to build your own wink

Frank Skilbeck28/05/2020 13:00:04
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Posted by MattyB on 28/05/2020 11:38:03:
Posted by Paul Marsh on 28/05/2020 10:49:21:

This year, there will be even less models available. If it ever recovers, we'll see, but the days of a cheap ARTFs, in abundance, are gone...

Agreed. Unfortunately I believe we are coming to an inflection point where participation in the traditional (i.e. fixed wing, LOS) hobby will rapidly diminish due to a perfect storm of aging participants, Coronavirus restrictions, ever increasing red tape from EASA/CAA and years of future financial hardship paying for the Coronavirus response. I would not be surprised if membership of the major associations had halved within 5 years; certainly it is going to get harder and more expensive to run our clubs, and lower participation numbers means higher prices for our models and gear. It doesn't look good...

Interesting, we must be the exception, have had more enquiries from newbies and returning modellers this year than in previous years.

Doc Marten28/05/2020 13:10:54
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Posted by Barrie Lever on 27/05/2020 14:14:24:

Maybe the Chinese are loosing interest in making ARTF's like they did with making ASP/SC engines.

B.

I wouldn't discard that thought at all.

Bob Cotsford28/05/2020 14:02:46
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I wonder how many ARTFs are actually made in China? Both BlackHorse and Seagull are based in Vietnam. CMPro and Pilot-RC are presumably mainland China but aren't really as big names, what about the Ripmax stuff? China or Vietnam?

Andy Stephenson28/05/2020 14:25:53
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Posted by Mr Chinnery on 27/05/2020 18:08:56:...And to grind a favourite axe of mine - most of the trad' U.K. manufacturers products will not leave their u/c behind on the strip the first time they make a less than perfect landing like any artf offering produced in the Far East, designed for the smooth paved runways of the U.S. Market. ...
This because apart from being built too lightly in the area of the U/C mounting they never use wire undercarriages which flex fore and aft and take the shock of a hard landing on grass much better than a rigid glass or carbon one.

A.

Andy Loges03/06/2020 15:37:06
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I have advertised 2 BNIB balsa models and not had any interest, maybe model shops are of thesame veiw... don't want to be left holding slow moving stock.

Anyway if anyone is interested I have put them on this site in the classified section.

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