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James Middleton07/08/2020 11:19:17
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I joined this forum 3 years ago after taking "early-retirement"...it didn't work-out...I had to "go-back" to work part-time! NOW , I am REALLY retired. What's happened to "glow"?...I have plans for an "Agwagon" and a "Tripacer"...I (even) have a couple of "BNIB" Super-Tiger "G 51 rings" and a "BNIB" Saito "FA-120S"...all ready to go,...building. The "shops" are all gone. Even the "web" returns very few "sources". I am "old-school"...I started back in the 70's. I REALLY don't want to go electric! Am I the ONLY one?... <grrh> (Silly-old-sod, reminiscing?)

Peter Miller07/08/2020 11:32:50
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There are still a lot of model shops round

SMC, Steve Webb. Pegasus Models to name but three.

Lookin the back of RCM&E.

Materials from SLEC,Balsa Cabin .

I used to be a dedicated i.c fan but now old age has set in and I find that I can fly my similar designs with electric without lugging all the gear.

Masher07/08/2020 11:33:44
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What's happened is that IC flyers like you and I can get some real bargains on engines smiley And then we get even better bargains on used IC models as people turn to electric.

So best thing is to ignore the trends and enjoy the reduction in costs to fly

Simon Chaddock07/08/2020 11:38:55
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While it lasts and the regulations are only going to get tougher!

Solly07/08/2020 12:00:12
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I/C engines certainly aren't unavailable, Westonuk do a range if 2 and 4 stroke glo engines and diesels too. I fly 4strokes nowadays , Saitos and Lasers. Lasers are sought after and the makers keep running out of stock, so it's best to keep an eye on their website. 

Edited By Solly on 07/08/2020 12:18:33

Barrie Lever07/08/2020 12:18:06
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Posted by James Middleton on 07/08/2020 11:19:17:

I joined this forum 3 years ago after taking "early-retirement"...it didn't work-out...I had to "go-back" to work part-time! NOW , I am REALLY retired. What's happened to "glow"?...I have plans for an "Agwagon" and a "Tripacer"...I (even) have a couple of "BNIB" Super-Tiger "G 51 rings" and a "BNIB" Saito "FA-120S"...all ready to go,...building. The "shops" are all gone. Even the "web" returns very few "sources". I am "old-school"...I started back in the 70's. I REALLY don't want to go electric! Am I the ONLY one?... <grrh> (Silly-old-sod, reminiscing?)

James

The hobby has changed but to be honest is better than ever, I will admit there is a fairly limited range of IC engines out there but you have some nice engines in your stock as it is.

Save your money up and buy decent engines once, you will be very happy.

To be honest it is a builders paradise, there are more materials and plans available then ever before and equipment to work the materials is available in abundance.

Fuel can be bought mail order from some shops, certainly The Model Shop Leeds offers this service and I would be surprised if Steve Webb was not doing this as well.

Peter mentioned SLEC and Balsa Cabin for materials, I promise you the wood you will buy from them is far better than the Solarbo Oak that used to be in the shops in the 60's, 70's and 80's.

The World is your Oyster.

Regards

Barrie

Keith Miles 210/08/2020 11:37:49
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I share your pain as, no doubt, do others of a certain age and tradition!

The numbers of engine manufacturers have certainly dwindled as has the choice of sizes but O.S. engines are also still going and provide possibly the widest range, even new O.S. two-strokes can be found on the shelves albeit still at a traditional premium price!

My main concern was about future fuel availability and choice but even that doesn’t seem to be under any imminent threat with Model Technics and Optifuel seemingly leading the field and with each offering various mixes. The price will no doubt keep increasing, though, as a result of a gradually reducing market.

That said, there’s always the option of going petrol (ironically), as some have done, with a ready built or a spark conversion but it’s not an option that I have any personal experience with. Criticism however, seems to be centred around transportation and general handling issues regarding the petrol itself and certainly not it’s much lower cost!

And the IC versus Electric debate, in the RC world, encompasses many of the same issues regarding the latter’s use for powering public and private transport e.g. endurance, charging, up-front costs etc.!

😊

Edited By Keith Miles 2 on 10/08/2020 11:42:33

kc10/08/2020 12:01:01
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One thing that has changed is the requirement to register with CAA , take a test and pay your 9 pounds before you fly an over 250gram model that is not control line. But it's dead simple and everyone has done it even the least computer literate member of my club ( with a little computer help from a friend) has passed the simple questionaire test. Just do it and put your reg letters on or inside hatch of your model.

Edited By kc on 10/08/2020 12:02:19

Keith Miles 210/08/2020 12:26:42
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Posted by kc on 10/08/2020 12:01:01:
Just do it and put your reg letters on or inside hatch of your model.

Few, if any, IC models (the OP’s clear preference) have, or need, hatches that are “easily accessible without the use of tools”.

That was/is one of the gripes regarding registration lettering.

And why on the outside of the hatch?

Are you exclusively an electric flyer by any chance?

😊

 

Edited By Keith Miles 2 on 10/08/2020 12:33:47

kc10/08/2020 13:01:32
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Yes, I am mostly electric these days - - but ic pilots could use the same hatch catches or magnets if they choose not to adulterate their model! I imagine that a scale fanatic would devise some scale panel or fitting that could be held on with magnets yet be removeable to reveal the reg letters to comply with the letter of this useless law.

However there are other places to discuss this stupid law if you want, but this thread is just to inform a returnee of the need to do it in case he was not aware.

 

Edited By kc on 10/08/2020 13:03:47

Nigel R10/08/2020 13:08:17
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Posted by Barrie Lever on 07/08/2020 12:18:06:

The World is your Oyster.

Regards

Barrie

Well said.

Nigel R10/08/2020 13:09:53
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Posted by kc on 10/08/2020 13:01:32:

ic pilots could use the same hatch catches or magnets if they choose not to adulterate their model!

Apologies for continuing the thread drift.

Nylon thumbscrews hold wings on and require no tools to operate.

Sold at modelfixings, of course

 

Edited By Nigel R on 10/08/2020 13:10:50

Keith Miles 210/08/2020 13:22:13
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kc,

It was just a light hearted joke, hence the “smiley” icon.

And, no, I have no wish to debate a ridiculous piece of legislation which I fail to see having any merit in practice. That boat sailed a while ago.

Yes, the scale boys, in particular, irrespective of their skills, will be well chuffed!

And yes, you were quite right to point out this legal nonsense to a returnee as I did to another returnee in another thread!

On this issue, it would probably be safe to say that we are all on the same page!

Keith Miles 210/08/2020 13:42:17
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(Posted by Nigel R on 10/08/2020 13:09:53:
Posted by kc on 10/08/2020 13:01:32:

ic pilots could use the same hatch catches or magnets if they choose not to adulterate their model!

Apologies for continuing the thread drift.

Nylon thumbscrews hold wings on and require no tools to operate.

Sold at modelfixings, of course

 

Edited By Nigel R on 10/08/2020 13:10:50

And my apologies for encouraging the drift but that might not be applicable to ALL models, or even desirable, hence the objections!

And, of course, putting an ID on the items that caused all this furore hardly matters in that case as they’re not exactly pretty to look at to begin with nor is visual charm likely to have been a reason for buying or assembling one!

And now I think about, the thread title might in fact suggest that further debate about the new regulations, the complaints that it has generated and the devices that brought it about would be entirely relevant to the question posed!

smiley

 

Edited By Keith Miles 2 on 10/08/2020 14:04:16

kc10/08/2020 14:04:03
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At first glance I thought the mention of thumbscrews was for the purpose of persuading the lawmakers to be sensible, but I see it's for a more mundane purpose. Good idea though---

-for wing fixing!

Keith Miles 210/08/2020 14:07:57
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Ever had to remove the wings from a biplane....?

Nigel R10/08/2020 14:11:13
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Posted by kc on 10/08/2020 14:04:03:

At first glance I thought the mention of thumbscrews was for the purpose of persuading the lawmakers to be sensible,

well now that's an entirely more entertaining prospect! devil

Keith Miles 210/08/2020 14:20:10
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Serious suggestion for our returnee, and others, for compliance with the new rules (as at least one fellow flyer has done) is to buy a Dymo labeller and, preferably perhaps, one that prints onto clear tape?

Yes, more expense and no government refund!

Doc Marten10/08/2020 20:09:26
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.....or just use masking tape and write the ID by hand, idea

Thread drift ........Oh the irony!

Keith Miles 210/08/2020 20:34:03
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Posted by Doc Marten on 10/08/2020 20:09:26:

.....or just use masking tape and write the ID by hand, idea

Thread drift ........Oh the irony!

Again, debatable.

I’m on the other side of the argument on this one as you noticed!

😊

And having read the requirements, masking tape might, indeed, comply as, whilst requiring that the ID be “secure” it is also recommended that it be removable should your ID change!

I do enjoy a laugh and look forward to seeing the various permutations and interpretations!

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