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Doc Marten10/08/2020 20:46:43
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Debatable maybe, but off topic, regardless of the side you're on. Maybe start a different thread for this?

Let the thread get back on topic eh?.....I know how much you hate thread drift.

Edited By Doc Marten on 10/08/2020 20:52:37

Paul Marsh10/08/2020 20:51:56
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In the past few years, we have lost ASP, SC, Magnum,Thunder Tiger, Super Tigre, YS, to name a few, and JR Radio, Hitec (as in Transmitters), Multiplex.

Even most OS Engines are not made anymore...

kevin b10/08/2020 20:57:23
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My advice to anybody returning to the hobby (I did a few years ago), is to go to Specsavers and have them check your rose tinted spectacle prescription.

Also, please be aware that this hobby will in future become more expensive (it is already starting), relatively speaking as our money starts to have less value and manufacturers costs (Worldwide) rise dramatically due to the massive effect of the current situation (which will take years to resolve).

I am not pessimistic about all this as I see that people like ourselves with constructive interests will more than cope and you never know, there may be an increase in people learning skills, rather than how to push buttons (or play with a ball).

kevinb Mini-rant over.

Denis Watkins10/08/2020 21:04:40
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Agreed Kevin, we used to make our own,

Dural flat chassis for 1/8th sca!e cars, centrifugal clutches on the lathe at school, vac former bodies

2 stroke motor from plans, radio control equipment from RCME project diagrams

We used to build our own models too, perish the thought

Doc Marten10/08/2020 21:04:46
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ASP and SC voluntarily withdrew from model engine production, Super Tigre, Irvine and others were forced out of production by ASP, SC et al,

JR are still producing gear but there are no UK distributors. Laser, Saito, PAW, Weston and others are still producing IC engines.

Keith Miles 210/08/2020 23:00:44
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Posted by Doc Marten on 10/08/2020 20:46:43:

Debatable maybe, but off topic, regardless of the side you're on. Maybe start a different thread for this?

Let the thread get back on topic eh?.....I know how much you hate thread drift.

Edited By Doc Marten on 10/08/2020 20:52:37

PM sent.

jrman10/08/2020 23:03:24
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JR is distributed in the UK by Probuild but they seldom seem to have any stock! I buy mine from their US based sales centre. Delivery time is the biggest drawback.

Edited By jrman on 10/08/2020 23:09:36

Keith Miles 210/08/2020 23:10:32
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The biggest threat to the future of the hobby, in my view, is a lack of newcomers, particularly youngsters, rather than anything else.

Dwindling demand will always result in dwindling supply.

All we can do is enjoy and support what we have while we still have it!

Barrie Lever11/08/2020 00:03:55
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Posted by Paul Marsh on 10/08/2020 20:51:56:

In the past few years, we have lost ASP, SC, Magnum,Thunder Tiger, Super Tigre, YS, to name a few, and JR Radio, Hitec (as in Transmitters), Multiplex.

Even most OS Engines are not made anymore...

Paul

YS and Multiplex are still going strong

B.

Keith Miles 211/08/2020 00:36:09
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Posted by Barrie Lever on 11/08/2020 00:03:55:
Posted by Paul Marsh on 10/08/2020 20:51:56:

In the past few years, we have lost ASP, SC, Magnum,Thunder Tiger, Super Tigre, YS, to name a few, and JR Radio, Hitec (as in Transmitters), Multiplex.

Even most OS Engines are not made anymore...

Paul

YS and Multiplex are still going strong

B.

And Futaba, of course!

smiley

Barrie Lever11/08/2020 08:25:57
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Keith

Of course Futaba, but Paul had not listed Futaba as deceased.

Seriously I have a hunch that Futaba are keeping OS open out of pride, and can leverage corporate profits against OS and keep the doors open.

Long live Japanese pride.

B.

Keith Miles 211/08/2020 09:51:32
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Posted by Barrie Lever on 11/08/2020 08:25:57:

Keith

Of course Futaba, but Paul had not listed Futaba as deceased.

Yes, sorry. Was adding to your response about YS and Multiplex, out of context!

Can I add Irvine, then?

smiley

Jason-I11/08/2020 10:08:12
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Posted by kc on 10/08/2020 12:01:01:

One thing that has changed is the requirement to register with CAA , take a test and pay your 9 pounds before you fly an over 250gram model that is not control line. But it's dead simple and everyone has done it even the least computer literate member of my club ( with a little computer help from a friend) has passed the simple questionaire test. Just do it and put your reg letters on or inside hatch of your model.

Edited By kc on 10/08/2020 12:02:19

'Everyone' certainly has not done it. I for one will never be paying the unjust registration tax.

Jason-I11/08/2020 10:12:20
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Posted by Keith Miles 2 on 10/08/2020 23:10:32:

The biggest threat to the future of the hobby, in my view, is a lack of newcomers, particularly youngsters, rather than anything else.

Agreed, however all these new draconian regulations and restriction do nothing to help newcomers into the hobby either.The lack of free flying sites is another issue.

Richard Clark 211/08/2020 10:16:10
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"What the hell has happened"

Things change is all. Some for the better, some for the worse. As it's MY money and nobody else's I also rely on MY opinion and nobody else's I don't spend my money on the 'worse' (eg foamies and ARTFs of any kind) bur I do buy the 'better'. I don't care about 'value for money', only about. 'good'.

Registration? It's just more futile government bureaucracy. Futile because most people of malevolent intent won't register. The wiser ones might because then they can practice their future malevolence without being fined or arrested. Neither will put their registration on their aircraft when actually perforning malevolent acts, rendering registration totally pointless for everyone.

Did I register? Yes, Because our somewhat authoritarian club committee, elected only   because  they were the only ones willing to be on the committee,  insist on it.  I personally think It's less hassle to pay the £9 than argue with them. I certainly didn't register because I am any kind of 'law abiding citizen'. 

Edited By Richard Clark 2 on 11/08/2020 10:27:18

kc11/08/2020 10:20:12
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I said everyone who is in my club had registered with CAA . We don't agree with the law but are all law abiding citizens. The lawbreakers will bring aeromodelling into disrepute. We should advise the authotities of any aeromodeller who deliberately breaks the law by flying and deliberately not registering..........

Steve J11/08/2020 10:32:14
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Posted by Jason-I on 11/08/2020 10:12:20:

all these new draconian regulations and restriction do nothing to help newcomers into the hobby either.

Draconian? We have a basic registration and knowledge test. If you want draconian, have a look at what is being proposed by the FAA in the rebel north american colonies.

Richard Clark 211/08/2020 10:37:58
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Posted by kc on 11/08/2020 10:20:12:

I said everyone who is in my club had registered with CAA . We don't agree with the law but are all law abiding citizens. The lawbreakers will bring aeromodelling into disrepute. We should advise the authotities of any aeromodeller who deliberately breaks the law by flying and deliberately not registering..........

It's good that none of. you have ever broken the speed limit. What fine fellows you all are.

Snitching on other flyers is a fine example to us all.

Edited By Richard Clark 2 on 11/08/2020 10:43:18

EarlyBird11/08/2020 11:04:49
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RC2 I do not understand your post.

Mike T11/08/2020 12:28:23
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Couple of observations:

Re lack of newcomers - most of our Club's recent 'acquisitions' have been older, retired types. These are the ones to attract. Attempts to woo the 'yoof' element are doomed to failure.

Club Committees - you get what you vote for and blaming their decisions is the ultimate cop-out. We modified our rules to state that it's up to individual members to ensure their legality to fly and that the Club would NOT be monitoring this (the only thing we actually check is BMFA membership).

Purchasing decisions based on the material composition, stage of build or country of origin are pretty irrational. Personally I buy whatever attracts my interest, which is informed by quality (perceived and/or reported) and price.

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