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Doc Marten29/09/2020 20:43:33
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I don't know why you choose to go it alone Martin but I don't think it's constructive to knock those that join clubs, pay the fees and benefit from it.

Andy Symons - BMFA29/09/2020 20:50:05
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I enjoy what I am doing but hope the BMFA are equally focused on the needs of those flying only for fun on public access sites as for the grandest club running events on private land.

Indeed they/we are.

john stones 129/09/2020 21:10:00
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Posted by Martin_K on 29/09/2020 20:39:11:
Posted by Gary Manuel on 29/09/2020 18:07:46:
Posted by Andy Symons - BMFA on 28/09/2020 20:45:04:

A number of clubs were successful in getting the Sport England grants. Also any clubs that are registered for small business rates, even if getting full rate relief automatically received the £10k.

BMFA advising on the eligibility for a very useful grant at a time when membership numbers are down due to Covid. Another useful service provided by the BMFA, though I'm not sure that everyone is listening Andy.

I can confirm that if your club is registered for business rates, you are entitled to a £10k grant. Our club gets 100% business rates rebate thus effectively paying no rates but we still got it, though not automatically. We needed to apply for it via our local council's website. Literally a 10 minute job, filling an on-line form in and the council paid up within a couple of weeks. No questions asked.

Many times when reading here I have wondered if I am in the same hobby as some contributors to the forum. This due to the contrast between club sites with facilities such as huts, tables for preparing your 'planes, and even references to parking on-site. The 4 sites I have / do fly at are all public recreation areas with no club fixtures at all, in 3 cases involving a trek carrying your gear.

I smile at 'photos of enormous landing areas and wonder how members of those clubs would cope with the maybe 12 foot wide runways at the one of my 4 sites where a grass 'strip' is cut.

Grants make the disparity stark.

I enjoy what I am doing but hope the BMFA are equally focused on the needs of those flying only for fun on public access sites as for the grandest club running events on private land.

No idea what this is meaning ?

Disparity ? Grants didn't provide the facilities most clubs have, they came about through lads/lasses rolling their sleeves up and working at it, often as not using money out their own pockets, took years to achieve what most have, often as not created from some overgrown wilderness, and it's constant work to keep it that way. Clubs will also open their doors to new members.

I would cope just fine with a 12ft strip myself, and like the rest of our club, I fly for fun.

Martin Harris29/09/2020 21:25:20
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Well said John.

I was lucky enough to join a club which bought its own field back in 1982 - members lent money, raised money, took out a mortgage and worked extremely hard to turn rough scrubland into the great field that we can enjoy today. I hope my own small contributions to maintaining and improving the facilities reflect what we owe to those members' efforts to some extent.

Nobody gave us any grants - although I understand that the local council offered us the use of the town centre shopping arcade's top storey car park on Sundays (this was before Sunday trading of course) while the club was "between" rented sites...surprise

The club has benefitted immensely from the far sightedness of those members who persuaded the doubters within the club to make the investment and if there's a club out there that gets the opportunity to buy their own site, I would say give it very serious thought - when I hear tales of clubs paying several thousand pounds a year on rent it makes me feel we're very lucky indeed.

Edited By Martin Harris on 29/09/2020 21:32:14

Martin_K29/09/2020 21:52:03
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Posted by Doc Marten on 29/09/2020 20:43:33:

I don't know why you choose to go it alone Martin but I don't think it's constructive to knock those that join clubs, pay the fees and benefit from it.

I don't know why you think I am knocking club members. I don't know how you read into my post that I 'go it alone'. I am a member of a club. Three of the four sites I refer to have clubs that operate on them. My club fees are low, reflecting the minimal facilities.

Martin_K29/09/2020 21:52:27
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Posted by Andy Symons - BMFA on 29/09/2020 20:50:05:

I enjoy what I am doing but hope the BMFA are equally focused on the needs of those flying only for fun on public access sites as for the grandest club running events on private land.

Indeed they/we are.

I am reassured to hear it.

Martin_K29/09/2020 21:55:40
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Posted by john stones 1 on 29/09/2020 21:10:00:

No idea what this is meaning ?

You have no idea what this is meaning? Simply that there is a world of difference between the ways various members of this forum experience the hobby. I suspect in large part due to geographic variations in availabilty and price of land.

If you wanted clarification you could have asked.

john stones 129/09/2020 22:13:10
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Posted by Martin_K on 29/09/2020 21:55:40:
Posted by john stones 1 on 29/09/2020 21:10:00:

No idea what this is meaning ?

You have no idea what this is meaning? Simply that there is a world of difference between the ways various members of this forum experience the hobby. I suspect in large part due to geographic variations in availabilty and price of land.

If you wanted clarification you could have asked.

Could be non geographic, maybe some put effort in and reaped the reward,

Doc Marten29/09/2020 22:25:15
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Posted by Martin_K on 29/09/2020 21:52:03:
Posted by Doc Marten on 29/09/2020 20:43:33:

I don't know why you choose to go it alone Martin but I don't think it's constructive to knock those that join clubs, pay the fees and benefit from it.

I don't know why you think I am knocking club members. I don't know how you read into my post that I 'go it alone'. I am a member of a club. Three of the four sites I refer to have clubs that operate on them. My club fees are low, reflecting the minimal facilities.

Then I amend my post to say that it isn't constructive to knock those clubs that have better facilities than your own.

The posts in reply kinda show I'm not alone in that.

Steve J30/09/2020 06:35:30
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Posted by Gary Manuel on 29/09/2020 18:07:46:
Posted by Andy Symons - BMFA on 28/09/2020 20:45:04:

A number of clubs were successful in getting the Sport England grants. Also any clubs that are registered for small business rates, even if getting full rate relief automatically received the £10k.

BMFA advising on the eligibility for a very useful grant at a time when membership numbers are down due to Covid. Another useful service provided by the BMFA, though I'm not sure that everyone is listening Andy.

I can confirm that if your club is registered for business rates, you are entitled to a £10k grant. Our club gets 100% business rates rebate thus effectively paying no rates but we still got it, though not automatically.

I your club did not suffer a loss due to covid, then I am of the opinion that claiming this grant is, at best, unethical.

Andy Symons - BMFA30/09/2020 07:48:54
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Posted by Steve J on 30/09/2020 06:35:30:
Posted by Gary Manuel on 29/09/2020 18:07:46:
Posted by Andy Symons - BMFA on 28/09/2020 20:45:04:

A number of clubs were successful in getting the Sport England grants. Also any clubs that are registered for small business rates, even if getting full rate relief automatically received the £10k.

BMFA advising on the eligibility for a very useful grant at a time when membership numbers are down due to Covid. Another useful service provided by the BMFA, though I'm not sure that everyone is listening Andy.

I can confirm that if your club is registered for business rates, you are entitled to a £10k grant. Our club gets 100% business rates rebate thus effectively paying no rates but we still got it, though not automatically.

I your club did not suffer a loss due to covid, then I am of the opinion that claiming this grant is, at best, unethical.

Thankfully it's the Governments opinion that matters and their opinion was that any sports club registered for SBR was eligible.

Christopher Morris 230/09/2020 08:06:43
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Slightly off subject. But for once i would say thank goodness for grants. A friend has just received 2 x 50K grants that has temporally saved his business. He was able to put all of his borrowings into " what is" an interest free lone for "i believe" 6 months. He also received them both with in 10 days.
Oh! He had 3 limited company's & applied for grants on 2.
Take it wile its there.

Edited By Christopher Morris 2 on 30/09/2020 08:07:38

GrumpyGnome30/09/2020 08:51:08
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+1 for Steve J comment. After all, it is taxpayers money....

GG

Doc Marten30/09/2020 10:23:31
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Posted by GrumpyGnome on 30/09/2020 08:51:08:

+1 for Steve J comment. After all, it is taxpayers money....

GG

+1 for Christophers comment.

Every single modeller I know is a taxpayer, overly and heavily in the majority of cases receiving little benefit as a reward except for that which is equally available to those that don't pay, so I'm not going to shake my head in disapproval when a rare opportunity arises to get something back. This government grant is being lapped up by anyone with even a remotely vague and tenuous link to anything called a sport, local councils are (anecdotally) giving it away without question within weeks. Nobody is going to go without because all those entitled to it have claimed it, in fact anything that isn't claimed (and there will be) will go into a giant slush fund to be abused by real scroungers. The gov is borrowing money hand over fist, at low interest rates to get the economy going, something certain parties and economists have been screaming to do until blue in the face for over a decade.

Nobody, ever,  gives us a financial incentive to join a club nor indulge in what we do even though we keep small business and cottage industries alive (the bed rock of the economy so we're told), there are clubs that charge joining fees almost double the actual membership fee to balance the books, many RCers are on a pension, with minimal club facilities, not even a proper toilet! Claiming it to improve a facility maybe uncomfortable for our generation but in the world we now live in it's no longer unethical.

Those who need it will not go without.

 

 

 

 

Edited By Doc Marten on 30/09/2020 10:32:54

john stones 130/09/2020 12:15:05
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Ethics ? Don't make me laugh, have yous been watching the news ?

Best I've got is, for once we've been invited to feed at the trough, you have a chance to protect your clubs and members futures, choice is yours.

Gary Manuel30/09/2020 13:13:37
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Posted by Steve J on 30/09/2020 06:35:30:
Posted by Gary Manuel on 29/09/2020 18:07:46:
Posted by Andy Symons - BMFA on 28/09/2020 20:45:04:

A number of clubs were successful in getting the Sport England grants. Also any clubs that are registered for small business rates, even if getting full rate relief automatically received the £10k.

BMFA advising on the eligibility for a very useful grant at a time when membership numbers are down due to Covid. Another useful service provided by the BMFA, though I'm not sure that everyone is listening Andy.

I can confirm that if your club is registered for business rates, you are entitled to a £10k grant. Our club gets 100% business rates rebate thus effectively paying no rates but we still got it, though not automatically.

I your club did not suffer a loss due to covid, then I am of the opinion that claiming this grant is, at best, unethical.

Our club DID suffer a loss.

Membership numbers are down on previous years due to Covid and are are likely to remain so. We still need to pay the rent on the field and for the grass to be cut and other costs. This grant will ensure that we can continue to operate into the future. This is exactly what the fund is intented for - to protect the future of sport and leisure facilities.

Geoff S30/09/2020 14:41:51
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Posted by Martin Harris on 29/09/2020 21:25:20:

Nobody gave us any grants - although I understand that the local council offered us the use of the town centre shopping arcade's top storey car park on Sundays (this was before Sunday trading of course) while the club was "between" rented sites...surprise

That sounds, on the face of it, a very dodgy (and interesting, in the Chinese sense) place to fly! Landing out could have been an experience

We're in a strange situation. We're losing our wonderful WW2 airfiled site to a massive housing estate in the next very few years and have elected to bite the bullet and move to a different site altogether a few miles away. So for a couple of years we'll have 2 sites. One advantage of the new site, which is at a farm which was once part of a big estate (in old way) so we'll have access to mains electricity and a proper, modern toilet block (getting more important as I age ). Plus it's lower and more sheltered so not so breezy. There's a lot of work in preparation though. No grants, either.

Geoff

Doc Marten30/09/2020 14:55:51
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Posted by john stones 1 on 30/09/2020 12:15:05:

..........for once we've been invited to feed at the trough, you have a chance to protect your clubs and members futures, choice is yours.

You've summed up in one sentence what took me two paragraphs John.

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