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Daniel Cardona21/10/2020 13:40:08
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Hello to All

I'm looking for a Flair kit of the SE5a, does anybody knows where maybe I can find a kit somewhere or maybe if someone has one for sale?

Maybe a set of plans with a copy of the templates?

Regards

Daniel

Doc Marten21/10/2020 13:48:57
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They come up fairly regularly on Ebay but expect to pay at least £150 for a part built one.

Daniel Cardona21/10/2020 13:51:25
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I tried ebay but no luck.

Doc Marten21/10/2020 13:55:06
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Patience my friend, have faith, it won't be long before at least one does. yes smiley

Does it absolutely need to be the Flair version?

Edited By Doc Marten on 21/10/2020 14:06:33

Daniel Cardona21/10/2020 14:33:11
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The flair kit is just the right size, it has a nice scale appearance without being complicated and it looks fairly easy to build and operate. Their website is still active but I don't know if these kits are discontinued or not, it's a shame if they are.

Daniel

Jon - Laser Engines21/10/2020 15:54:55
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Flair kits are pretty rare these days and usually sell for silly prices, far more than they are worth.

Although its a tiny bit smaller the super flying model se5a is a good alternative and well priced. Fit a small 4 stroke (a 40 would be plenty) or equivalent 2 stroke/electric and you would have a really nice little model. I tempted myself as i have a nieuport 17, pup, and fokker DR1 so the se5a would complete my set!

Doc Marten21/10/2020 17:24:57
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Posted by Daniel Cardona on 21/10/2020 14:33:11:

.......Their website is still active but I don't know if these kits are discontinued or not, it's a shame if they are.

Daniel

Flair kits are now discontinued, the company wound down a couple of years ago and largely sold the remainder of their stock through Ebay, although the site still appears active it is closed, it's not monitored nor are orders taken. I've no idea why it's still there.

Daniel Cardona21/10/2020 18:05:55
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Such a shame, I wonder how nobody took over with there kits, like slec or belair kits for example.

Doc Marten21/10/2020 18:14:17
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I don't know, they were doing some short runs of selected kits and parts, such as foam wings for the cub and a couple of others but that was it......finito.

Capt Kremen21/10/2020 18:30:55
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There was until fairly recently (? a year or two back), a 'side-line business' offering legitimate original Flair items e.g. Plans, Decals, Vac-Form Mouldings and partial wood kits. (I know because I refurbished a second hand e-bay bought SE5a by this means ! ). I understood the manager of the concern was using the project to train apprentices in various aspects of production etc.. It was hoped that if enough interest and/or the project successful, further Flair items including a limited run of kits might be produced. I noticed some of these items were up for sale on ebay. As nothing further seems to have been announced, one might assume the project has now sadly ceased, all the more unfortunate given current times.

Daniel Cardona21/10/2020 18:33:04
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Posted by Jon - Laser Engines on 21/10/2020 15:54:55:

Flair kits are pretty rare these days and usually sell for silly prices, far more than they are worth.

Although its a tiny bit smaller the super flying model se5a is a good alternative and well priced. Fit a small 4 stroke (a 40 would be plenty) or equivalent 2 stroke/electric and you would have a really nice little model. I tempted myself as i have a nieuport 17, pup, and fokker DR1 so the se5a would complete my set!

I took a look at the super flying models SE5a but I'm not entirely convinced. it looks a bit fiddly to my liking, plus I don't know they say that it's good for a.60 four-stroke right on their boxindecision. I agree with you that a .40 to 45 would be plenty, maybe a 52 max. it looks that it's designed more for electric.

another alternative would be a Balsa USA kit but a 1/4 scale is too much, you would need a big engine for that size.

Daniel Cardona21/10/2020 18:35:18
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Posted by Capt Kremen on 21/10/2020 18:30:55:

There was until fairly recently (? a year or two back), a 'side-line business' offering legitimate original Flair items e.g. Plans, Decals, Vac-Form Mouldings and partial wood kits. (I know because I refurbished a second hand e-bay bought SE5a by this means ! ). I understood the manager of the concern was using the project to train apprentices in various aspects of production etc.. It was hoped that if enough interest and/or the project successful, further Flair items including a limited run of kits might be produced. I noticed some of these items were up for sale on ebay. As nothing further seems to have been announced, one might assume the project has now sadly ceased, all the more unfortunate given current times.

I was at least hoping to find the plans and maybe a set of templates for the ribs formers, etc. but no hope for that too.

kc21/10/2020 18:56:07
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You could always get the Boddington SE5 plan from Outerzone and build it at 32 inch span or enlarge it before printing.  If enlarged to 150 percent  making 48 inch span the mainly 1/8 construction would come to a handy 3/16 (5mm approx )

If a look alike SE5 suits you then Boddington did a 60 inch Mannock, 77 inchMajor Mannock and 56 inch Scout all available as plans with optional wing ribs from DB Sport & Scale. At 20 pounds for a set of Mannock or Scout wing ribs it's a bargain. There is an even larger version at 95 inch called Giant.

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Edited By kc on 21/10/2020 19:03:32

Capt Kremen21/10/2020 18:58:27
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Daniel 'PM' sent

Daniel Cardona21/10/2020 22:40:23
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Posted by Capt Kremen on 21/10/2020 18:58:27:

Daniel 'PM' sent

PM replied yes

Daniel Cardona21/10/2020 22:43:48
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Posted by kc on 21/10/2020 18:56:07:

You could always get the Boddington SE5 plan from Outerzone and build it at 32 inch span or enlarge it before printing. If enlarged to 150 percent making 48 inch span the mainly 1/8 construction would come to a handy 3/16 (5mm approx )

If a look alike SE5 suits you then Boddington did a 60 inch Mannock, 77 inchMajor Mannock and 56 inch Scout all available as plans with optional wing ribs from DB Sport & Scale. At 20 pounds for a set of Mannock or Scout wing ribs it's a bargain. There is an even larger version at 95 inch called Giant.

Edited By kc on 21/10/2020 18:57:54

Edited By kc on 21/10/2020 19:03:32

Good Call for the Boddington Scout! looks promising and I think it's the same size as the Flair Kit. Only the Nose looks a bit longer, I wonder if it can be arranged with minor alterations without upsetting the flying qualities.

Geoff S21/10/2020 23:43:14
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Shortening the nose to make the Scout more like an SE5a will simply bring with it the same issues as the SE5a already has - the need for a load of ballast to get the CoG right. But the SE5a has a relativley long nose so it's less of a problem than (say) a Pup or Camel.

Geoff

cymaz22/10/2020 06:47:30
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DB Giant Mannock

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Sheepish22/10/2020 08:07:08
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Hi Daniel

Have you seen this site:

http://model-plans.co.uk/

He lists plans for the Fair SE5. I have successfully given him and bought plans from him in the past.

Mike Etheridge 122/10/2020 08:45:35
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I will check to see whether I have the plan which I could get copied at my local printers in South Croydon. My plane which has only flown once was reckoned by one of my club members to be the best plane he had ever flown, ''it goes where you put it'' was his comment. I flew it briefly but was not so hot on the rudder use which is necessary on turns.

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Edited By Mike Etheridge 1 on 22/10/2020 08:46:12

 

Yes , I have got the plans, two huge sheets, and I have got the instructions already scanned which I can send you today if you send me your e-mail address in a PM. Also let me know if you need the plans copied which I will do on a non-profit basis if you wish?.

Edited By Mike Etheridge 1 on 22/10/2020 08:57:51

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