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Fubar30/08/2009 07:16:41
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 What on earth is the BMFA wasting all that time and effort in surporting control line flying for.
Shurly it is not  in the intrest of model flying to have such open support of  a noisy and uninteresting sport..I really think noise levels should be monitored and then controlled for the sake of appearing to be responsable.
Come on the powers that be wake up before its too late.
ken anderson.30/08/2009 08:40:34
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hello christopher-do you mean the same as formula one car's-motocross-powerboat racing-red bull racing-and on and on and on---they are modeller's having fun in a controlled manner/enviroment-meeting once a year under the umbrella of our national orginisation...to fly together in competion's...live and live i say and let people enjoy themselve's(responsibly).............this is my personal opinion....
 
           ken anderson..............

Edited By ken anderson. on 30/08/2009 08:41:23

TonyS30/08/2009 09:15:32
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Got to say I'm with Ken on this one.
I get very grumpy when the collective youth of the country congregate at our local airfield for their three day "music" event that runs on well into the night but then I have to shake myself out of "grumpy old man" mode and accept that on a small island with a large population not everyone will share my views (shame!) On this basis if I occasionally cross paths with those whose lifestyle choices differ then I should be happy it's rarely enough that I still notice.
Besides, I recently had the pleasure of chatting to Jo Halman - the BMFA Competition Sec - a delightful lady. Jo's a control line flyer - that's good enough for me. 
Peter Miller30/08/2009 09:17:30
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A) control line models can be as quiet as any radio model. Quieter in fact because very few use engines larger than a .40.
 
B) Because they are flown close to the ground and close to the pilot the noise footprint is much, much smaller than any radio model which is ranging over several hundred yards at a few hundred feet.
 
C) only someone who has never flown a control liner would say that they are boring. If you can be bored flying combat, team race or aerobatics you have to be brain dead.
 
But I suspect that you are just trying to wind people up . All those people who are coming back to C/L must have a good reason.
 
One of mine is the fact that our club runways can't be used for model aircraft because there are three or four helicopters hovering over them. I just join them  with a control line model.
 
 

Edited By Peter Miller on 30/08/2009 09:18:45

Tim Mackey30/08/2009 09:22:01
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The huge diversity of aeromodelling covered by the NATS is partly what makes it special.
Control line flying is where very many of us started in this absorbing hobby, and many many people still derive great pleasure from it today
( not me....I get too dizzy now ).
The NATS is a dedicated site with exemptions from normal noise "rules" for the duration of the show, as are ost properly organised and sanctioned shows throughout the season.
Control line is certainly not the only culprit when it comes to noise issues - how many flying sites have been lost because of control line activity?
Not many, if any at all, I would guess.
As for being uninteresting... well that really is subjective - I find extreme 3D "flying" amidst a mass of smelly smoke uninteresting...perhaps I should campaign to have that stopped too?

Edited By Timbo - Moderator on 30/08/2009 09:23:21

John Privett30/08/2009 12:26:58
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Christopher,  I'm sure the control line flyers feel exactly the same about whatever it is that you do...
 
The BMFA "support" model flying in all its shapes and forms.   Control line is one form of model flying.  If it bores you then there's a simple solution.  Don't bother to watch it. 
Dave Towell30/08/2009 12:47:23
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I do agree that each to there own. if people want to fly control line then let them. I have flown C/L before and dont really get it to be honest but thats me, I prefer R/C but I have nothing againt C/L.
I DO agree howerver  that they need to be moniterd for sound  though, they can be incredably loud and if the rest of us have to complie they why not them?
A C/L is generally a lot noiseir than a an RC even befor they unload in the air and the pitch of the noise travels a lot further. We have had to stop people fling C/L at our site because of the noise.
 
Tim Mackey30/08/2009 13:03:44
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Who says they dont get monitored for noise? The NATS meeting is not noise controlled as far as I know - for any models - including pulse jets !
As for "normal" club flying, control line models would be subject to exactly the same constraints as any other model within the club....if not, then why not would be my question for the committee!
flytilbroke30/08/2009 15:14:45
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Claiming noise as reason to be down on control line is the same as banning music, describe loud first. Peter Miller has given a factual statement. Look into what he says before making any unfounded judgemment please.
 
Not all control line enthusiasts use I/C, many are now using battery power. Anyway, as Timbo says the models could comply with normal club rules except under special conditions.
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Sounds like the person who moves into a 1000 year old village, won't get involved in village life and complains when the 600 year old church bells ring every Sunday!
 
Free flight and Control line are the foundations of our hobby.  It is tradition, don't knock it.
Peter Miller30/08/2009 21:50:44
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Dave Towell,
 
Why were the C/L models at your field so noisy? Mine all use the standard silencer and so are no noisier than the equivelent R/C models.
 
The R/Cmodels may sound quieter in the air because they are further away from you. On the other hand they probably sound much louder to the neigbours than the C/L model flying beside you does. See above re noise footprints.
Fubar31/08/2009 01:13:11
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Gentlemen I think you are looking thru  ' Rose Tinted Glasses'.I think you should wake up before you loose the privalidge.
As for the comment that they are no more noisey than equivelent Rc models on saturday they were drowning out the noise the jets were making.
Are the BMFA liable for any claims for damage to hearing ?
  I really dont think you have Carte Blanche to make any row you fancy !
 
 
Martin Harris31/08/2009 02:15:17
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Fancy making loud noises in the middle of an active military airfield, miles from any domestic dwellings  - really, the BMFA should hang their heads in shame...
 

Edited By Martin Harris on 31/08/2009 02:16:23

Myron Beaumont31/08/2009 08:20:55
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Christopher
Regarding noise pollution, as it's now called, & all the rules & regs made by mans elected representatives ,
Whatever happened (or hasn't happened) to control of cars in town centres (mostly ) with 100Watt plus bass speaker cabinets filling up the boot area going -boom -boom-boom as they pass ? What about the strimmers / mowers that spoil nice weather week-ends .
At least we have set limits & quite rightly to give us power to our elbows if needed to combat the hypocracy of the whole issue of personal liberties .
I flew control-line at school everyweek for years ( 50's) formed a club and got loads of kids interested in aeromodelling .Eventually the Gee Dee club came about ! (Nottingham )
I know the shop has gone from strength to strength looking at their add.
Does the club still exist ?
Timbo -Hope you don't moderate me out - I'm only agreeing with the majority of us old'uns who got a bit fed up with loosing freeflight models & migrated to control -line .
Craig Carr31/08/2009 08:48:29
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Some very valid points Myron (and indeed all other contributors) , however:-----
 
I think everyone here has made a balanced and valuable posting/response about the diversity of our hobby and the noise issue (which isnt an issue)
 
Also as people have said we should support every facet of our hobby but im afraid the the originator either cant see that or I suspect as Peter Miller said (part of)
 
 
Posted by Peter Miller on 30/08/2009 09:17:30:
 
But I suspect that you are just trying to wind people up . All those people who are coming back to C/L must have a good reason. 
 
 
Personally im afraid no matter what people say in response I dont think you can ever please a small minority of individuals sadly.  Its just not worth the bother really
 
Craig (with crystal clear and untinted vision)......  Off to look at another thread and not wasting any more time or effort on this one...

Edited By Craig Carr on 31/08/2009 08:59:25

Edited By Timbo - Moderator on 31/08/2009 11:25:58

Peter Miller31/08/2009 08:54:18
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How funny people are. THey go along voluntarily to an event to watch models in competition and object to the noise out in the open air. They say that they should be banned.
 
And yet it is perfectly aceptable for people to go to clubs, drink themselves insensible and revel in noise levels way over the pain threshhold.
 
Funny that my control liners have nevar caused a complaint in the club but the jet in the club has been banned from two of our fields and severely restricted on another and the only ic model that caused problems was an R/C model and that got our flying restricted on that field.
 
I am aware that some C/L competition classes do not have to be silenced. Just as motor sports are not subject to the same noise regulations as normal cars. Consider rallying. If you don't like it don't go, if you go, stop moaning about it. Or do you go to Silverstone and then complain about the noise levels of F1 or Touring cars etc.
 
As for damage to your hearing. well, I have had to stand in front of four Rolls Royce Griffons at full power for agess many times in my youth, also in front of assorted jets and other aircraft, no ear defenders in those days. At 72 my hearing is still excellent. Maybe they bred us a bit tougher in those days.
 
BY the look of things you are grossly out numbered.
Myron Beaumont31/08/2009 09:00:26
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Hear Hear ( excuse the pun)
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I think that the Nationals was intended as a meeting place where members of the( BMFA ) SMAE could hold competitions in various disciplines of the hobby and socialise.
They are held in a place where local residents should not be able to hear any noise.
I don't think that they were originally intended to be a public entertainment in the manner of Sandown (when it existed) North Weald , Weston Park etc.
So complain if you must, all that will happen is that the public will be excluded from the area and the competitions will be held there anyway.
 
 

Edited By Richard Bond on 31/08/2009 09:36:28

Dave Towell31/08/2009 10:14:40
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I'm not knocking C/L if people want to do C/L then let them. Maybe its back to the issue of preceved noise and actual noise.
Tim Mackey31/08/2009 11:24:38
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Posted by Martin Harris on 31/08/2009 02:15:17:
Fancy making loud noises in the middle of an active military airfield, miles from any domestic dwellings  - really, the BMFA should hang their heads in shame...
 

Edited By Martin Harris on 31/08/2009 02:16:23

 Classic Nice one  Martin

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