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Scubajon21/06/2010 21:23:46
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Hi I'm Jon and I'm 68 years old and although I'm not completely new to RCME, I'm treating my self as a newbie because just about everything has changed since I last built a flying model! I's around 50+ years since tha last one!  I'm currently building a Lancaster with a 96ins wingspan (you can keep mickey mouse measurements!).  I've been planning it for 10 years and have built most of it now.  But, to my problem and question.  I'm having great difficulty trimming and matching up the front gunner and bomb aimer canopies.l  The come as two seperate parts and I cannot get the right trimming to get them to fit together and on the front of the aircraft!  I do not have an artistic eye, I know what the finished article should look like, but cannot get it right and have already ruined one set of canopies trying.  Has anyone any hints or tips on how to get it right without ruining any further canopies?  Please help.  I would like to get it flying by next year if possible although I'm not in a hurry as I'm enjoying the building of it and once it's done that's it!  This has been an almost lifelong ambition and is keeping me occupied during my retirement.
Ernie22/06/2010 19:27:47
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Hi Scubajon,
It sounds like a great project, BUT  who is going to fly it?
 
ernie
Scubajon23/06/2010 10:34:05
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Hi Ernie,  good question..........certainly not me until I've had some recent experience!  I have a pal in the club who has an old trainer which he is giving me and I'm going to use one of the lanc engines and my radio gear to get back into flying. The lanc will have more channels than I've used before but that will come with practice and time.........I hope ! lol  Once I've had some practice I'm going to fit lights and some other items to the trainer that require more channels so I can get used to using them too .  As  I said I'm not totally new to flying but it is a long time and I'm not in a hurry and I do not intend to make the mistakes I made in the past, which I have learnt by!  Which is one of the reasons I've asked this question. I've tried and can't get it right so I'm seeking advice.  I'm not too proud to ask, that's one of the lessons i learnt many years ago! jon
Andy Gates23/06/2010 18:43:44
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Great to see you comming back into modelling Scubajon, and revisiting it in the correct and safe way.
I wish you all the best, but sadly I have no useful advice for the issue you are having.
Scubajon24/06/2010 09:26:07
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Hi Thanks.  Yes, this is one of those problems which has no defineable answer. Ii'm sure there are several ways in which to tackle it but explainaing it may be more difficult.  There is only one other lad in the club that has built one similar to mine.  It's a bit smaller and his front gunner/bomb aimer canopy came in one moulded piece so he hasn't really got an answer either!  I'm sure I'll get there in the end, but I thought someone who has already done this may have some tips based on their experience. We'll see if anyone comes up with anything.  cheers  j
CARBON_ROD21/08/2010 14:09:01
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 You'r Lanc sounds great , hope you get the problems sorted as I'm sure you will ,I haven't seen a modeller beaten yet  all the best .TD
Scubajon21/08/2010 18:31:13
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Hi TD, thanks for support.  i expect it will get sorted in time..with a little help from my friends!  It certainly won't fly this year though, maybe next year.  I'm really enjoying the challenge of building the biggest aircraft I've ever built and when that';s done..it's done! so I'm dragging it out a bit I suppose, but hopefully I've plenty of time to enjoy both the building and flying.  Will post from time to time with progress and more begging questions no doubt! cheers j
sparks5921/08/2010 20:25:57
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Hi Jon,
welcome back!
It's difficult to exactly viualise the exact problem you are having, but i suspect its getting the moulding cut to the correct shape to sit flush with the fuse and be at the correct angle. Can you fit a 'ring' to the fuse, then you will have some room for error on your trimming of the canopy, and be able to set it at the correct orientation.
 
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Scubajon21/08/2010 21:53:10
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Hi Sparky, long time no see.  Been busy decorating, DIY & gardening etc. and not had much time in the last 2-3 months to do any modelling!  Sad git ain't I!!!  lol  Yes, your'e half right.  The actual problem I'm having is getting the 2 mouldings of the front gunner and the bomb aimer to marry up where they join.  I had a couple of goes at it and it looks awful!  I have one more set of each moulding left so it's gotta be right this time.  Have left it alone till I get some more advice from someone who'se done it on a lanc before.  There is a local lad who hasbuilt one a bit smaller than mine and I've left him a message asking him to contact me with some help.  He belongs to the same club but he rarely goes cos he works long hours and has kids etc so family has to come1st.  As I said, I'm not in a hurry so don't mind waiting but any advice is always welcome.  Hope you ok.  cheers j
Andy Gates21/08/2010 21:54:45
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Scubajon
 
Have you tried e-mailing Chris Golds and asking his advice?
 
I have seen his e-mail address in a magazine somewhere, it is not to hand right now though.
Scubajon21/08/2010 23:30:13
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Hi Andy, never thought of that. Will look for it although I'm afraid he might think me a complete idiot!  Others must have had the same prob so it might be worth a try.  Thanks   cheers  j
Andy Gates22/08/2010 11:25:29
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If Chris is like any of the other builders / designers / modellers that I have come across which I am sure he is, then he will be pleased to help.
 
It is only a complete idiot (your words!) who does not ask, which of course you have already done so you can't be.
 
I have found the magazine with his contact info which is chrisgolds@connectfree.co.uk
 
I hope this helps. Let us know how you get on.
Scubajon22/08/2010 13:08:21
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Hi Andy, thanks for that. I've emailed him and am waiting to see what he says. You may be right about designers.  I think Chris may have a bit of a laugh 1st before he replies though!  lol  Everyone has their stumbling block and this seems to be mine. Everything else is going well so far.  I have told him I'm going elec with it though.  Don't know what he will think about that.  They weren't around when he designed it and certailny not 50+ years ago!  anyway ta very much.  Will keep you posted.  Thsnks for advice and interest.  cheers  j
Scubajon09/09/2010 20:27:43
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Hi Andy, Have had two email from Chris but I think he's fallen out with me cos I sheeted the lanc!  He wasn't very happy about that even when I explained I couldn't get the finish on the foam that I was happy with before ironing on the covering.  I have built it to his plans with the correct foam or at least it's equivalent type in todays micky mouse measurement .  I also bought some blue styrofoam from Sheffield Insulations that's magic stuff for modelling, for another part ie, the bit behind the engine nacelles. I told him I'd gone electric too and I don't think he liked that either.  Anyway, I'm going to send him a pic when it's finished and hope he likes it.  Still got the prob with the Front Gunner and Bomb Aimer joint although Chris did come up with and idea I think might work.  Anyway I'm going to try it.  cheers  j
Andy Gates09/09/2010 20:59:57
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You could post a picture for us all to see how you are getting on.
 
I doubt you have upset  Chris, I bet he is more concerned about the weight you have added with the sheeting.
Have you weighed your creation yet to estimate how heavy the completed machine will weigh compared to Chris's origional?
 
Good luck with the front join, again pictures would be great

Edited By Andy Gates on 09/09/2010 21:00:49

Scubajon09/09/2010 21:38:33
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No, not yet.  Will weigh it tomorrow and take a couple of pics.  I lost the booklet years ago that came with the plans but if I remember right, I think the AUW was around 12-14lbs  I really can't remember exactly.  I've estimated mine will be about 15+  at the most.  Will let you know tomorrow.  cheers  j
kc10/09/2010 19:04:36
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The article in RCME May 1983 says " she is OK up to 14lb with full fuel"
Scubajon10/09/2010 19:56:19
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Hi, yes thanks, that's around the figure I think the booklet quoted.  At present it weighs 4.75lbs and with all the rest to add I estimate 14-15lbs.  There's an awful lot more to do yet!  I have tried to insert pics, but it's not working whichever way I try it.  Any advice would be helpful.  The pics are on my desktop waiting!  cheers j
kc11/09/2010 10:20:02
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You need to upload the photos to 'my photos' section first, and it takes a minute or two and then you press OK ( sometimes you cannot see this box until you wait and scroll down )
Then use the insert image button when posting (  Last button but one on the right )
Scubajon11/09/2010 12:40:17
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Hope this works!  As you can see from the little bit showing in the cockpit, I have built the fuselage with the foam Chris specified and then sheathed it. The bit over the main wing I'm trying out the blue styrofoam I got from Sheffield Insulations.  It's seems just as good for modelling as it's very light and is very easily sanded to shape. This bit is nowhere near finished yet but I'm hoping it's going to be ok.  I still have the yellow foam if it doesn't work out.  It looks in the pics as though the tailplane is far too long, but it only overlaps the point where the middle section of the front wing joins the centre section by 2" which according to the real thing and the plans is correct.  Think it's my camera makes it look that way!  This model as you see it weighs 4.75lbs and I've weighed most of the rest of the model, other wing sections etc. and am expecting an AUW of 14-15lbs.  Don't know what the batteries will weigh though so it will probably depend on them for most of the remaining weight. And of course any balancing weights.  At present it balances 2" in front of the trailing edge of the main wing so we're on track for the correct balance point I think.  There's still a lot more to do yet but I'm hoping it will fly next year.  If not, I'm not in a hurry anyway and I've got some flying training to catch up on 1st! any comments appreciated.



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