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ken anderson.10/09/2010 08:35:09
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just been on the local news that the 'vulcan XH588' will be passing over cumbria area - aprox 12. 30 today on it's way to an airshow in scotland....... watch out for it.....  
 
    ken anderson...ne...1..
 
 ps ... news was on the BBC...
Doug Ireland10/09/2010 08:52:57
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It's probably heading for the RAF Leuchars annual air show. If you haven't been to it before Ken you should, as it's well worth the effort!
ken anderson.10/09/2010 08:55:19
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morning doug--that's what it said on the radio.....the weather is not good here in northumberland(rain and fog)....yesterday was bright sun and warm...... 22c.... typical..
 
        ken andereson.....in the land time forgot ne...1..
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator10/09/2010 10:03:30
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Well worth seeing...it was at the Southport Airshow a couple of year ago. I'm in West Lancs so I'll keep an eye/ear open...mind you given the cloudbase here today unless he's flying at about 400ft I doubt I'll see it!!!
Richard Wood10/09/2010 10:29:17
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Cheers Ken,
The weather today here in Fife (where Leuchars is) is grey & wet.
The forecast is better for this weekend...
I've lived in Fife for 20 years & never yet been to the Leuchars airshow
- parking probs etc.
I should make the effort this year with it being the 70th Anniversary
of the B of B.It should be well worth a visit.
 
 
ken anderson.10/09/2010 10:42:10
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richard-your mission for the weekend----- photo's of XH588...to be posted for us all....
 
 
     ken anderson--- mission control ne 1...
 
John Privett10/09/2010 11:04:48
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Interesting!  Earlier this year they (the Vulcan Operating Company) said they wouldn't be doing the "long-distance" airshows this year - hence they weren't at Sunderland.  But they did go to Jersey yesterday to display and Leuchars tomorrow now appears on their schedule.  Maybe they've added them in to make up revenue from the shows they missed earlier in the summer due to bad weather?
 
Steve,  if the cloud is that low then I don't think they'll be flying.  The CAA only allow them to fly VFR (Visual Flight Regulations) - so not in, or above, cloud, even though the aircraft and crew are undoubtedly perfectly capable of flying on instruments... 
 
I subscribed last year to an information service and get a text message every time the crew board XH558,  the engines start, they take off,  display, land etc.  I've heard nothing so far today.  If they're going to be overflying Cumbria in 90 minutes then I think things would be starting to happen now or very soon.
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator10/09/2010 11:32:15
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Is that true? That they can only fly VFR? If so thats amzing & given that they would be taking the machine all over the UK how can they guarantee the weather for the round trip?
 
Mind you someone did tell me that CAA stands for Campaign Against Aviation!!!
 
When I was flying microlights I remember chatting to an RAF pilot about the low level flying they did & how they did it & he said "Oh we fly IFR like you microlight guys"...a bit confused I pointed out that microlights have to fly VFR because they have no instruments & he replied..."No..IFR...I Follow Roads..."
 
Cloudbase has lifted a bit here now...I'd guess about 1000-1500ft but total coverage....
ken anderson.10/09/2010 13:36:52
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news at 13.30...the aircraft has a brake problem and it's now looking likely that it will be saturday before the flight to leuchars....................
 
  ken anderson...ne..1..
 
from XH588's ...twitter site

Edited By ken anderson. on 10/09/2010 13:51:28

John Privett10/09/2010 17:22:38
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Sorry - I'd have posted updates earlier if I could, but I've been in London for a meeting and this site doesn't seem to work via my phone...
 
Yep - crew were trying to fix a brake leak at 12:11,  by 13:13 still fixing it but  looking likely to delay trip until tomorrow.  Then at 14:22;  "Plan now to transit to Leuchars  on Saturday morning (landing before displaying)."
 
John Privett10/09/2010 17:39:43
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Steve - yep,  'tis true,  VFR only. 
 
The Campaign Against Aviation (yes,  I've heard that one too!) issue a "Permit to Fly" rather than a Certificate of Airworthiness for XH558.  This is routinely done for, amongst other reasons, "aircraft which may not be designed and manufactured to specified civil standards; as in the case of ‘ex-military’ aircraft"  Microlights are another category that are routinely issued a Permit to Fly.
 
There are limitations on Permit to Fly aircraft as follows;
 
"In recognition of the lack of compliance with some of the standards of airworthiness, the issue and continued validity of a Permit to Fly will reflect the limitations under which an aircraft is permitted to operate, and will normally be more restrictive than the operating conditions permitted in the case of a comparable aircraft operating on a Certificate of Airworthiness. The limitations are as follows:
a) Flights will normally be restricted to day Visual Flight Rules (VFR) only.
b) Limitations may be placed upon the numbers of persons permitted to be carried in the aircraft, either in general, or in specific operational circumstances.
c) Aircraft will be required to be placarded showing operating limitations and conditions.
d) Aircraft will normally be restricted to flights within UK airspace unless the prior agreement of the country in which the flights are to be made is obtained.
e) Aircraft will not normally be permitted to fly over congested areas."
 
Quotes above are from CAP733 published by the CAA.
 
I have seen a comment that the Vulcan Operating Company have applied to get the VFR restriction lifted,  but can find no more details.  The VFR restriction has implications on the airframe lifetime as it means they generally fly at lower altitude on more turbulent air causing more metal fatigue.

Edited By John Privett on 10/09/2010 17:46:16

Lazygit10/09/2010 21:55:26
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Posted by John Privett on 10/09/2010 17:39:43:
  The VFR restriction has implications on the airframe lifetime as it means they generally fly at lower altitude on more turbulent air causing more metal fatigue.

Edited By John Privett on 10/09/2010 17:46:16



That must be the reason why my models fail in the end

 

John Privett11/09/2010 10:04:42
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OK folks,  latest update just received from XH558 HQ...
 
Today's plan -
 
Crew in  11:00
Take off  12:00
Straight in to display at Leuchars 13:31
 
So I guess that means anyone en route Brize Norton to Leuchars could catch a glimpse of the Vulcan early this afternoon.  There's no info on whether they're flying straight back after the display or landing at Leuchars and returning later in the afternoon. The earlier plan had been to fly up this morning,  land then display later.  I guess they've delayed the departure  to allow the weather en route to improve a bit...

Edited By John Privett on 11/09/2010 10:05:16

John Privett11/09/2010 11:56:16
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Update at 11:53
 
XH558: Airborne enroute Leuchars
ken anderson.11/09/2010 11:57:07
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xh588 is airborne...12.00.....on route to leuchars...........
 
       ken anderson...ne...1..
 
John Privett11/09/2010 12:03:26
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Further update at 12:01
 
XH558: Routing Northampton, Bruntingthorpe, Newark, Humber, Leeming, Teeside, Leuchars.
 
Ken - they could be coming your way...
John Privett11/09/2010 12:10:52
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Thinking about it Ken - they could easily be following the coast from Teeside up to Scotland. 
 
Keep your eyes (and ears!) open.
 
 
ken anderson.11/09/2010 12:14:55
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john just had a look and yes they are going to scotland via teeside...change of plan..to what was said on the BBC.......yesterday....
 
 ken anderson...ne..1..
Michael Hickman11/09/2010 12:38:34
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XH558 just flew north from Market Harborough @ about 12:05.
 
Mike
John Privett11/09/2010 13:49:54
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Further update received at 13:41;
 
XH558: Just displayed and coming in to land
 
and at 13:46

XH558: Landed at Leuchars

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