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Stevo12/09/2011 13:25:28
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Hi All,
I'm building a Fokker DVII (Parasol) and I am in DESPARATE need of some Lozenge solartex. Of corsue everywhere says it's available, BUT WHERE DO I GET ANY...
Any help (or even some covering!) would be greatly appreciated!
Bert12/09/2011 13:29:38
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There you go...

Edited By Bert on 12/09/2011 13:31:56

Edited By Bert on 12/09/2011 13:33:00

Stevo12/09/2011 13:42:20
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Well thanks Bert! Unfortunatly I forgot to say that my DVII is a 1/6 scale (almost) replica with OS40FS up front
Solly12/09/2011 15:56:32
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Arizona Model Aircraft will supply at any scale but it's very expensive.
Stevo12/09/2011 16:04:17
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Yes it IS expensive!!!!
Wilmann Graphics in the USA seems cheaper, but they do not appear to ship outside the USA... I have emailed them.
Paintbrush, anybody?
andy watson12/09/2011 18:29:23
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Steve, if you check my blog for the Flair DVII I used Wildman Grapghics lozenge fabric. Brilliant stuff, but postage wasn't cheap.

Edited By andy watson on 12/09/2011 18:29:54

Alan Cantwell12/09/2011 18:36:32
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Yes Andy, me owd fruit, but the stuff was that dear, you lock it in a safe at night!!! there are stencils out there for lozenge, sort of paint by numbers,
andy watson12/09/2011 22:32:34
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The problem is Alan, unless you have XXX years of "useful" assorted bits and pieces collected in the garage, then it will cost you almost as much in Flair spektrum paint.
You need 5 colours on the top surface, 5 on the bottom (top and bottom are different colours). Each of these 10 colours is made up from mixing 2-3 different pots. That's a lot of cash to be spending on paint at £5 per tin. And you still need to buy the Solartex- which is about £20. Then you add in your time...................... and my fabric looks like a bargain!
Of course you can compromise on the scale colouring- just buy purples and greens etc and go for something not too far away. Almost no one else will ever know- but you will.
That Lozenge fabric is the thing most people comment on with my DVII. Did you notice the Dawn Patrol DVII has the same scheme? I think I started a trend!
Alan Cantwell13/09/2011 20:13:55
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thats a fair point Andy, another factor in printed fabrics favour is the time consumed in painting, i think you would have to be keen to do all the masking and painting,
Seamus O'Leprosy14/09/2011 21:28:22
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I built the Gordon Whitehead DVII years ago and painted the lozenges by hand using clear plastic masks and Humbrol paint and it only took a couple of evenings alternating between the top and bottom gave enough time for the paint to dry for a continuous operation.
But my hands were a lot steadier then.
Reno Racer05/02/2012 17:47:37
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balsa usa also stock lozenges, about 4 different designs, a bit cheaper than arizona models.
Peter Miller05/02/2012 18:24:01
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Actually, The Fokker DVIII, (Not DVII) only has the fuselage in Lozenge fabric and it doesn't take that long to paint if you know the way.
Funnily enough one of my friends was just asking about it this morning.
You make card templates for each colour, The pattern is repeating, You use the templates to draw the lozenges on the fuselage.
Then, using Humbrol matt enamel you paint them. They do not have to be perfect unless you are going for competition work, People will not notice minor variations.
Trust me, I have done it in the past. The templates are easy with modern copiers. They should not take more than an hour to do.
A couple of hours maximum to draw them all on. and then between two to four hours for the painting and you can work on other things while the paint is drying which doesn't take long with matt paints.
OH, I forgot to say when you tell people that you hand painted them you staning as a modeller will soar.

Edited By Peter Miller on 05/02/2012 18:24:49

David Davis05/02/2012 19:39:32
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Flair used to sell Solartex with the lozenge outlines printed upon it. You then filled in the lozenges in the correct colours. I don't know whether they still produce the fabric but if they do it'll only be in a scale to suit their Fokker DVII which appears to be about 1/6 scale..
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Seamus O'Leprosy06/02/2012 08:12:45
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Joseph is going to be really peeved to find Jacob has stolen his coat and run up a ladder with it
John Olsen 106/02/2012 09:01:31
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Hangar 9 did a lozenge Ultracote covering for their DVII but of course that is glossy so not really correct. It would be about 1/6 scale. The other problem might be availability, I tried ordering some for spare before Christmas through my LHS, no sign of it yet. They have stopped producing the DVII so may not have the covering any more.
Plan B...find a prototype that had been painted all over in a non lozenge scheme and use that!
jeff2wings06/02/2012 18:26:44
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I think you may be right in that the H9 D VII is out of production so spare covering may very hard to obtain , however as the E V ( D V111 ) only has the fuselage in lozenge it would not take too long to paint by hand , I traced the pattern onto natural solartex and used Tamya paints with a little bit of custom mixing for “near ish “ tones .Or you can do it in one of these schemes

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Daithi O Buitigh06/02/2012 19:32:46
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Slightly off topic - but why do most top views of a D VIII show 'ribs' - the wings were plywood covered??????
I've also noticed a lot of models (and replicas) of D VIIs with lozenge covered axle lifting sections - these were also plywood covered and wouldn't have had fabric (think on it - you have a fabric surface in the prop wash about 18 inches o so above ground - it must have taken a pounding from stones, etc as the aircraft moved over the grass strip)
Peter Miller06/02/2012 19:44:15
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Plywood covering commonly had fabric doped over it. prevented splitting etc.
Also, the doping of the fabric and general use would make the ply sag between the ribs to some extent.
Currently researching the Miles Magister and in one photo of the end of the wing this is so pronouced that it looks as if the wing is just fabric covered.
As a point of interest, wooden propellers were also sometime covered with fabric

Edited By Peter Miller on 06/02/2012 19:48:27

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