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Would people like a more complicated model

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Peter Miller06/03/2013 08:31:29
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I am currently looking at an empty drawing board.

Now if you analyse most of my designs the construction is the same and just the shape varies.

I am thinking about a more complicated build with stringers and some planking and another elliptical wing. Still not sure about it but would people like that.

Size would be about 55" span with a 52 four stroke.

Edited By Peter Miller on 06/03/2013 08:32:00

Devcon106/03/2013 08:53:46
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Peter,

I know the eliptical wing is not standard but a Fly Baby type lookalike would be on my wish list.

Regards

John

Bob Cotsford06/03/2013 09:34:45
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How about one of the Curtiss biplane racers Peter? Very pretty aircraft, fairly compact without too much fussy detail.

Braddock, VC06/03/2013 09:39:29
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P 47, nice rounded shape, wings perhaps not elliptical but certainly not straight. Or a VAL, jap dive bomber, spatted and nice shaped wings, both would test your mettle!

Braddock, VC06/03/2013 09:50:03
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Or a bristol monoplane, not done to death, plenty stringers and fabric elliptical wingtips wink. I always fancied one.

Mowerman06/03/2013 10:12:01
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I was once told a funny story (not repeatable here) about one of the American aircraft being used by the RAF during the war, The aircraft was the Brewster Buffalo,. Never seen a model of this.

Ruprect Spode06/03/2013 11:06:11
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DH71 Racer..

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bouncebounce crunch06/03/2013 11:12:14
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What sporty girl and country is she from?, Pete, i have my Thunder Tiger 54 sitting there after deciding not to put her in my Sig cub. By the way the cub is coming along very slowly because of my indecision= 3piece wing, someone mentioned that one so after a few months of thought that is what i will do. Idea for engine orientation for my TT54= plenty of our forumites put more thoughts into my puny grey matter for me to digest and now saving for smaller capacity four stroke.

The "Culver Dart" is my guess.

 

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bouncebounce crunch06/03/2013 11:15:36
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Posted by Ruprect Spode on 06/03/2013 11:06:11:

DH71 Racer..

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that is a Tiger moth, Ruprect. and she is beautifull. I have plans that need enlarging and she is on my dream build list.

Ruprect Spode06/03/2013 12:16:24
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Hey BBC, why don't we just build this together anyway!? I'll draft up some plans for my one and get started straight away. We could do it on a joint thread, a sort of joint Oz/UK collaboration, I'll need the internal detail from you and you'll need me 'to crack the whip.'face 1

Ps. Culver Dart gets my vote also.

Peter Miller06/03/2013 12:23:50
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Strangely enough the new design will not be true scale but will use the same cowl as the Culver Dart, my Rod Jocelyn version and will be a "based on" design. Picture of the inspiration coming soon. The original inspiration is just not practical at the size I plan on doing.

This afternoon I am going to start doodling on the drawing board and see what it looks like.

bouncebounce crunch06/03/2013 12:43:38
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G'day Ruprect, my plan is in Kelvin Shacklock's aeromodelling book and has a build along, he gives permission and instruction in the book to enlarge the plans, and also instruction for a purpose built building board just for the wing, all to add washout and the gentle curve of the original. she is very nice but i have four models in various stages at the moment, but she will be sitting on the runway eventually.

I like the Oz/Uk collaboration idea, you might be on a winner with that one, we have some great modellers down here ( i am not one) and have had visits from a couple of top Brittish modellers but not enough exposure to our wider community which is a shame. aeromodelling in Oz seems to mean you are like a secret society to the outsider.

bouncebounce crunch06/03/2013 12:48:03
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Peter this is going to be good and with your penchant for sunburst schemes she will stand out at the field. rubbing my hands alreadyyes

Tangental06/03/2013 13:54:25
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Very nice, looking forward to that Peter. Almost a Gee Bee then.face 23

Peter Miller06/03/2013 18:23:54
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OK. I spent the afternoon drawing and it is going to work. It is a stretched version of THIS!

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By the way, this model is one that I hand carved in limewood and then spray painted. It is 48th scale 6" span.

Every colour was separately masked so that all the colours are flush, not steps.

Of course it is the Hall Springfield Bulldog.

Because my model will not be true scale you can do your own colour scheme with making me foam at the mouth.

Ruprect Spode06/03/2013 19:25:30
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Tangental was correct in his Gee Bee style assumption, that's going to have a lot of 'presence' in the air Peter. Lovely! Sort of a Gee Bee/PZL P24 crossbreedyes

Peter Miller06/03/2013 19:27:05
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Hall worked for Gee Bee before designing his Bulldog.

Myron Beaumont06/03/2013 19:40:09
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Peter

Those wings will certainly stretch a lot of us to our limits .Blimey ,I reckon you're making it as difficult as possible for balsa bashers. Fair do's that was what you wanted to do for a change & why you asked for ideas .I must admit that I don't particularly like the GeeBee type huge fuselage -it doesn't help model flying characteristics IMVHO.BUT I love the rest . Bet the lekky people like it too ! Loads of room for their "fuel tanks" even in the shortish nose.( Lovely carving by the way .)

Glad it would be for a 52 fs (got three or more SCs ).There wouldn't be an awful lot of lift off those wings at 55" span would there? Hows about a biplane version to make it probably one of the hardest plans to follow ? It'd be a bit like a Rapide in some respects with a top gull wing .Hmmm

Peter Miller06/03/2013 19:53:34
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Apart from cutting out the parts the elliptical wing is no harder to build than a tapered wing,

I am working on about 500 sq. in of area which is about the same as the old Culver Dart.

The biggest problem designwise is the gull wing. Think I have that worked out.

The fuselage doesn't look as bad as the Gee Bees on the drawing board. It is much more tapered and a bit longer.

By the way, at the speeds they were doing the 4:1 or 5:1 teardrop was just about the most perfect streamlined shape.

Myron Beaumont06/03/2013 21:29:55
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Peter

But am I right in thinking that that configuration was for speed not for our all round flying characteristics ?

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