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Concorde Speedbird09/05/2013 21:57:09
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Bonjour tout le monde, (French revision)

I think a lot about stuff, mainly Concorde, Physics and my great interest in Aerodynamics, but recently something made me think about our hobby, so hopefully you'll be interested too. And it is nice to temporarily write something that isn't revision with 14 GCSE exams round the corner!

Nearly all of us fly with people. Most of us are in clubs, and to newcomers we suggest that they join a club and they usually do- which is absolutely fine, in fact very good.

I fly with my Dad, and usually it is just the two of us since we are not in a club. Now this is also fine, we tremendously enjoy ourselves and I am perfectly happy with this. But sadly, this will not last forever.

I am planning what I want to do in the future, and although I have not started Sixth form yet I have already been looking into choices for the next stage, since I have a Sixth form place, and I have been weighing up which University/ies I would like to apply for. After that, I will probably work for Airbus, maybe Rolls Royce or BAE, that decision is yet to come. But all of these options will mean one thing- at some point I will no longer be able to fly with Dad on a regular basis.

So what will that mean. Well depending on where I go and what I do, I'll probably join a club elsewhere. But what about Dad? I asked him- he said he probably wouldn't fly. This saddened me, but my Uncle also flies so this will hopefully not be the case.

So what I ask you, would you fly despite not having anyone to fly with? I wouldn't, the editor stated it was much better to fly with people in a recent editorial too. Is our hobby actually a social activity as well as building miniature aeroplanes? I think it is. You probably already believed that already, but hey, it's more interesting than Of Mice and Men (but Physics is great!).

CS (back to revision)

Area 5109/05/2013 22:18:51
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I fly regularly "solo" as I have free time when others are mainly at work.. Additionally our club field is under utilised as far as regular attendees go.. However, if I fly glow or petrol, the good lady brings a chair and book along to keep me company, more importantly for safety should I have the misfortune to become involved in any sort of incident.. as it pretty remote. Therefore, I am not really alone!

When flying electric, I have a park close to home and school fields, these I use frequently and I am alone as I consider the risks to be less..

Given the desire to pursue a career in aviation, perhaps some local colleges or uni's have the course your wish to take.. this would allow your career to be developed and your Dad to have his flying buddy still close by...

Alternatively, perhaps the selection of said "facilites" should include acces to a handy RC flying club! Then when your Dad comes to visit he can bring a model or three..! Win win..

The civil aviation market will certainly continue its growth; however it maybe considered the military may not.. since the introduction of drones we hear little of new fighter or bomber develoment.. This could be because they may all become pilotless and therefore RC style drone pilot jobs will be more the norm..

Good luck, and enjoy your selections and career... it'll be a good choice, its a great industry! yes

TheFlyingCrust09/05/2013 22:22:16
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I know exactly where you're coming from. I used to fly/build in the company of my father (recently departed) but when I changed career some 20 years ago I never had the time to carry on due to shift work. Dad soon ceased building and flying. By the time I took early retirement he was too old and infirm to fly. When he passed on I acquired 2 unflown models he'd spent hours making.

If you can get your father to fly with your uncle he will, I'm sure, reminisce about the time you two flew together - and when you go home he'll still have his hand in.

I do fly (gliders) on my own but I'd rather have others with me. SWMBO accompanies me to the field and she often says, "Nice day for flying", (I love her!) but she doesn't fly. It's great when clubmates are there too.


Concorde Speedbird09/05/2013 22:44:41
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Thanks for the feedback.

I am more interested in the civil aviation world, thanks to Concorde probably, but it will have to be sub-sonic works which I enjoy too. I've actually met Concorde engineers for advice on where to go for my career, which was brilliant.

I'm aiming high, having completed GCSE Maths early with an A* and Physics is currently at the same level, I am determined to do the best I possibly can. I've looked at the best Uni's for aviation, and the closest top one, and my favourite, happens to be some University called Cambridge! I have been there on several occasions and talked to people there, but it's Cambridge so it would require a lot of hard work (which I am capable of), some talent (oo-err!) and a lot of luck! Otherwise the rest are far away from Suffolk, and after that I may be even further away.

As much as I'd like to, I can't structure my career around flying with Dad (and he'd say the same). I was just wondering whether others would fly alone. Many do happily, great! But for me and Dad, we like to have some company. For us it is half the fun, but even with GCSE's my aeromodelling has had to be cut down. In the future this could become more common, but I will try and ensure that I carry on alongside my future (hopeful) career.

But less about me, more about your opinions on flying with others or not!


Concorde Speedbird09/05/2013 22:51:16
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I would also like to point out that I am incredibly lucky to be in a situation where I get to fly aeroplanes with my Dad, and I am very fortunate because of it.


Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator09/05/2013 23:16:08
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I enjoy flying with others - I like the chat and the friendship that goes with flying. I also very much value the advice and encouragement of my clubmates.

Would I still fly if I was alone? Yes I would. The flying is "in my blood" - but I'm equally sure I'd really miss my mates.

As a parallel CSB my own son is away at University. He isn't a flyer, he's a musician and we used to play togther a lot. Yes, I do miss him, but I still play. And of course he comes home for the odd weekend and during the holidays - so we still do play together. And the time we spend together playing now is even better - because its a treat. So don't be too downhearted about it all, even if you end up away from home you'll do what my son and I do, chat on Skype and plan what we're going to do together when we do get to see each other.


PS He's a much better musician than me now - and I learn from him all the time - so the roles are reversed from when I first started playing with him! smile

PPS Isn't Steinbeck a incredibly boring writer? I can never understand why he is on the GSCE syllybus in the UK. I had to read his novel "The Grapes of Wrath" for my "O-levels" as they were then. How the hell a 16 year old in Liverpool was suppose to feel any empathy with a group of struggling farmers in Oklahoma I'll never know!

Martin Harris09/05/2013 23:31:58
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Perhaps now's the time for you and your dad to find a friendly club - dad can fly with you when you're around - and keep his skills/interest up in company with his new friends when you're away!

bouncebounce crunch09/05/2013 23:44:36
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G'day CS. Oh I too know how you feel. I went through this, Dad, my brother and my self flew together built together and gee we had some fun and at times it was hilarious, then as life changed for jobs, starting a family and the other intrusions of keeping a roof over your head, flying and building got pushed aside to the rare weekend, now brother lives on a different continent, dad rarely flies but i still slowly build and fly mostly on my lonesome. But the time is nearing for me to join a club again as a want to get back to flying something a little larger than the electric and .10ic. If they don't like my jokes well i will still end up flying alone but in a club.

You have some great ambitions, so good luck with those exams and hope you still find a little time for flting with your dad.


avtur10/05/2013 00:19:35
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Question - would I fly alone?

Answer - yes.

Reason - if I didn't fly alone then I wouldn't fly, it is as plane (oops - no pun intended!) and simple as that. I understand BEB's comment about it being in the blood and if the interest is rooted so deep then it is the flying that provides the satisfaction, the camaraderie of flying with friends is/would be a bonus but it is not what motivates me to fly.

I'm sure there are many lone flyers within the ranks of forum members. There will be a huge amount of different backgrounds and family circumstances which all have part to play in how, when and why we fly our model aircraft. Peoples’ working and family commitments are likely to have the biggest impact along with the availability of clubs (with open membership!)

In earlier years have I have flown both as a member of clubs and as one of a group of like-minded friends; there is no doubt that the camaraderie of flying as part of a group can add a great deal to the experience. But for me the no one reason for flying a model is the simple personal satisfaction of doing so, the rest is ‘nice to have’.

Just picking up on you comments about careers, you have a clear picture of the direction you want to take and I get the impression you are well motivated to achieve your ambition, so good luck. I wanted to find a career in aviation from a very early stage in my life, it took a few years to achieve it, eventually finding my place in the aviation fuel industry.

That has given rise to my ‘office’ being at many an airfield from Sumburgh or Stornoway Airports in the Scottish Isles, mainlines like Heathrow and Gatwick, as far a field as Almaty in Kazakhstan to Washington DC. I have the experienced the ‘joy’ of fuelling Concorde many times while she was in service (she had 16, or was it 17 tanks!), I’ve also dealt with Airbus at Chester and Filton, and the Rolls Royce engine plant at Derby. Although some aspects of the aviation industry are changing I’m sure it will always be an exciting and rewarding place to work. I’m sure wherever you end up studying you will find a group of like minded students to continue the interest in model flying.

Tom Sharp10/05/2013 00:58:16
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To BEB and Steinbecks 'Grapes of Wrath' being boring, we did 'Moby Dick' by Herman Melville, again boring and pointless.

GrumpyGnome10/05/2013 06:01:50
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90+% of my flying is on my own - maybe I'm a little anti-social !

I have been a member of few clubs (not currently a member of any) but even then tended to fly alone as I'm an early riser and love having the sky to myself.

But it is a very personal thing, I know a number of people that do belong to clubs and will happily spend a good few hours at the field but only fly once or twice - for them, it's possibly the social side that's most important. Spending 'quality time' with you maybe what your day actually likes the most ..............


Edited By GrumpyGnome on 10/05/2013 06:02:34

Rich too10/05/2013 06:47:06
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I've always been in it for the flying and I do not have time for clubs and all the socialising that comes with them. The best time for me was when I flew with a school pal (over 30 yrs ago), just the two of us - unfortunately for me he grew up and got a real plane!! Rich ps and these forums are great for solo flyers like me


Edited By Dickster on 10/05/2013 06:48:38

Greybeard10/05/2013 07:58:37
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I belong to a club that has the use of a large field about 15 minutes drive from my home. As I am retired and the site is available every day I tend to fly mid-week thereby leaving the strip clearer for those that can only fly at weekends, the only constraint being light and the weather. This means that I sometime fly on my own but I enjoy the experience more if I have company. I also enjoy the social aspect of club life and feel it is as important as the actual flying; my club does have regular weekly meetings which occasionally, as is the case tonight, include a guest speaker so I’m looking forward to that too.

Peter Miller10/05/2013 08:28:23
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Flying with someone is much more fun than flying alone. However some people can spend hours flying alone.

Personally I find that if I go flying alone I do it because I have something special that I want to try out. I used to fly camera planes on my own.

I am also concerned about the safety aspect and so I would prefer to fly smaller models as they cannot do as much damage.

Our flying field is only a 6 minute dive from my home and we can use it at any time but I don't use it as much as I would/should. After two or three flights I begin to think "OK, so what else shall I do."

ken anderson.10/05/2013 08:39:47
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well getting back to CCS opening bit.......we(man) are social creatures who like belonging in a herd.........we feel better with others around least thats what i learned at college all them years find it a bit boring when i'm the only one flying.....

ken ...... studies dept....

Rich too10/05/2013 08:51:17
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you guys are obviously older with too much time on your hands wink me, i have a wife and two young kids competing for my time as well.....Rich

Stevo10/05/2013 09:03:24
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I always flew with my son, who has now got a job and developed a passion for motorbikes, and no doubt female interest will follow.... I don't fly with him half as much as I used to and that saddens me a little but this is life!!

I always used him as a backstop in case something went wrong as a 'youngster's' reaction time and spacial awareness if far superior to mine! That was clearly wrong, and to get over my confidence issues I go to the field alone, and I really enjoy that. As far as flying with others, I have a select few that I would do that with, as soon as some know-it-all gets down there with a 1/3 scale Extra I tend to back off somewhat.

Oddly enough my select few are all retirees, always full of laughter, mickey-taking and encouragement.

But, Fly alone? Yes please. - Perhaps a poll?

TheFlyingCrust10/05/2013 09:14:54
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I'm getting the feeling these answers are a reflection of human nature in general. There are those that, whilst enjoying a bit of company, are quite happy being solo. Its in their nature. Nothing wrong with that.

But I think the majority are quite gregarious and feel the benefit? comfort? competenes? of being in a group. We're all different in our own needs. Both are right for the individual. I just happen to fall in the second category.


John Muir10/05/2013 10:24:53
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I think it depends on my mood. Some days I find myself alone and absolutely love it. The sky is all mine, I can experiment and not worry about getting in anybody's way. Most of my best flying is done when I'm on my own (what? No really, it is!).

On the other hand having others around can be good too. You get feedback, whether you like it or not, and watching what others do lets you benchmark your own flying abilities and you can learn a lot from what they do and by asking for advice. The banter with like minded types is worth a lot too.

But if I could only fly alone I would still do it. It's the flying that really interests me, otherwise I'd be as well just going down the pub.


The Wright Stuff10/05/2013 10:24:55
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My dad doesn't fly, but we used to sail model boats together, and that was my route into R/C. I shelved model flying for several years when I was at university in the late 90s, which I now regret - if I'd kept it up, I'd be a much better flyer now!

Incidentally, CS, I went to the University of Cambridge, and currently live (and fly) in Cambridgeshire. Don't be put off by prejudices - if you have the ability and ambition (and it sounds like you do) then go for it!

Feel free to PM me if you have any specific questions...



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