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Plummet31/07/2014 19:26:03
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Edited By Plummet on 31/07/2014 19:26:19

John Privett31/07/2014 19:29:16
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That's a bit of a sorry sight...

But at least there seem to have been no injuries, and hopefully the Sea Fury will be back in the air sooner or later.

Chris Bott - Moderator31/07/2014 20:24:45
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Very sad indeed, glad everyone's OK though.

It was very impressive indeed at Duxford recently.

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John Privett31/07/2014 21:34:56
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Impressive too at Shoreham last August;

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Colin Leighfield31/07/2014 22:09:39
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That's a blow, but it will fly again. It will take a while though, sadly.

Jon - Laser Engines31/07/2014 22:32:36
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I am using this aircraft as a basis for an 80'' model at the moment. not at all good to see it bent. From the videos I have seen it looks like and engine failure as at least 4 cylinders were pouring smoke. the resulting loss of hydraulic pressure meant the gear didn't fully extend. this is not official, just what I observed and seems logical.

Andrew Price 231/07/2014 23:21:10
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Not Depron Colin so will take a while methinks. wink

John Privett31/07/2014 23:33:55
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Posted by Jon Harper on 31/07/2014 22:32:36:

From the videos I have seen it looks like and engine failure as at least 4 cylinders were pouring smoke. the resulting loss of hydraulic pressure meant the gear didn't fully extend. this is not official, just what I observed and seems logical.

I've seen a series of stills shot during the display. On the shots just before landing there was a lot of light-coloured smoke/vapour trailling from the engine. It's visible also in the 'headline' picture on the beeb website - but when I first saw that I assumed it was dust/debris kicked up from the runway!

Colin Leighfield31/07/2014 23:53:38
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I suppose if they used Depron to patch it up it would save time and money. If they used Ezekote and glass before painting I'm sure no-one would notice! What's more, if they can't get the bits for the Centaurus, perhaps they could convert it to electric!

Seriously though, how sad. They'll certainly fix it, but it usually takes years rather than months.

Andrew Price 201/08/2014 07:42:33
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Yes Colin it will always boil down to the money thing and how much they are willing to allocate. They could always create some simply by eliminating some wasteful resources. A quick count of Admirals would throw up some surpluses I'm guessing.

A certain Capt. Brown is standing by to test fly your conversion.

Colin Leighfield01/08/2014 07:48:03
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Bang on Andrew, you can always depend on Winkle. When I've fixed the Sea Fury I'll have a go at a full size Depron Miles M52. The cancellation of that was the disappointment of his life, so I have no doubt he'll be dead keen to jump in that one.

Cuban801/08/2014 07:48:25
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£!**?7 retracts, nothing but trouble!wink

Glad that the pilot was OK and that the machine was not too badly damaged.

Mr.B.01/08/2014 08:13:17
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Posted by John Privett on 31/07/2014 23:33:55:
Posted by Jon Harper on 31/07/2014 22:32:36:

From the videos I have seen it looks like and engine failure as at least 4 cylinders were pouring smoke. the resulting loss of hydraulic pressure meant the gear didn't fully extend. this is not official, just what I observed and seems logical.

I've seen a series of stills shot during the display. On the shots just before landing there was a lot of light-coloured smoke/vapour trailling from the engine. It's visible also in the 'headline' picture on the beeb website - but when I first saw that I assumed it was dust/debris kicked up from the runway!

That engine always seem to run smoky. Especially on low throttle. I haven't seen the video yet though.

Pete B - Moderator01/08/2014 08:18:43
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All looks rather calm but I bet there was a lot going on in the cockpit!
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Danny Fenton01/08/2014 08:50:20
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Excellent video Pete, shows clearly the incident unravelling, the gear not quite locking in time. Many had a system of manually pumping in the event of hydraulic pump failure, but no way he would have had time for that Looked like gravity was the only thing dropping the legs.

Glad the pilot is okay, but a shame about the old girl getting her belly rubbed

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Colin Leighfield01/08/2014 09:03:05
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I imagine the reason that he didn't try and drop the legs earlier, which might have given them a chance to lock, was concern that if he did with that loss of power, he wouldn't have made it over the runway threshold.

The Centaurus is a smoky engine, perhaps we are seeing a fuelling problem rather than a mechanical failure, but we'll find out eventually.

Jon - Laser Engines01/08/2014 10:00:26
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That's the video I found as well. The engine clearly has a serious issue as they never pour smoke like that. The smoke is also white which is oil smoke. Over fuelling would produce black/dark brown smoke. Also you can see the inner gear doors are open for a long time before the gear drop. Its possible he put them down way in advance but knew they weren't down and used the emergency air system but had insufficient time to get the gear locked.

there is another video around somewhere which shows him drop the gear really early but they only partially lower. I wonder if they were cycled again or the airflow held them in

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Cuban801/08/2014 10:33:01
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Beautifully understated commentary.....................

Jon - Laser Engines01/08/2014 14:12:39
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I spoke to someone I know within the classic aviation scene and it was an engine failure causing loss of power and hydraulic pressure. The left leg did lock after the initial touch but as the sea fury is apparently well know for nosing over with only one leg down the pilot retracted the gear again once he knew the other leg was not in place to put it down on its belly, minimising the risk of it flipping over and killing him!

Mowerman01/08/2014 14:31:42
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Its a sad fact that keeping old and classic aircraft flying can never be 100% safe, things wear out and with the best will and intentions components will fail. Ask anyone who has used old or classic cars/motorcycles. Replacement parts become more difficult to find and even they are often second hand.

I take my hat off to those who maintain these aircraft and to the pilots who fly them for our entertainment and education.

Thanks that no one was injured.

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